CoP 4-2: The Savage - Ouryu Not Sleeping?

[Dalmbraast]

Not really a "newbie" question so much as an issue with the BC.

Went to help out a friend coming back to the game with CoP today. We went in with 3 blms, a rdm/blm (me), and a pld for first voke etc. Pld went in with Sentinel, Defender, etc etc, I dispelled SS and the blms did their first Freeze barrage. I hit my ES macro, Sleep 2. Get the message - "Ouryu is slept", one more random ability from the pld in the chatlog, then "Ouryu is no longer asleep". Then he goes up in the air, all hell breaks loose. He wont' sleep up in the air (which it tough, regardless, I know), even though with ES, it lands. Again, asleep one second, awake the next. We tried one more sleep when we had him back on the ground before eventually we intentionally wiped to regroup.

Just curious if anyone has helped with this fight recently and had this problem or heard of it being changed or broken with the updates to the CoP mission series or with the institution of the WotG expansion. Did we miss something in the many changes they've made to this or is this a bug that needs to be reported?

Thanks!

[Seditedi]

Someone had to of woken it up

[Dalmbraast]

Newp, we all checked our logs after. The only spells cast on it were Dispel, Freeze, Flash, Sleep. No dots, pld wasn't engaged. On the last sleep, he was even dead. The blms were time nuking, so only casting together if they weren't on sleep duty.

[Kedra]

Fought Ouryu on Friday with our linkshell. Didn't have any problems with him sleeping at all

[Seditedi]

Random ability? I'd be the PLD woke it, if not could've been possible that your sleep landed just as it was taking off? Maybe lag or something. Seems like it woke too quick to have been a partial resist on Sleep II.

[Crizto]

Either the PLD used Shield Bash (just guessing) or it lagged and took off right before Sleep was casted...
I helped a couple people with the fight not too long ago, using the same strat as you mentioned and nothing strange happened with the sleeps at all.

[Seditedi]

Yeah, I've done this fight plenty, going to bet it was Shield Bash as well (just didn't wanna say it lol)
Last few times I did it I could sleep it decently without ES.

[Kaylia]

"Ouryu is slept", one more random ability from the pld in the chatlog, then "Ouryu is no longer asleep". Then he goes up in the air,

Here you go. Unless the ability is shield bash, Ouryu was about to lift off and was "immune" to sleep. For the same reason, you can sleep it when it's flying if it's about to land.


Anyone know if you can sleep ouryu when he has stoneskin on? I'm curious to see if flying wyrm are just dot'd, or if it's an "erase" mode that kill the zzz

[Massimo]

"Ouryu is slept", one more random ability from the pld in the chatlog, then "Ouryu is no longer asleep". Then he goes up in the air,

Here you go. Unless the ability is shield bash, Ouryu was about to lift off and was "immune" to sleep. For the same reason, you can sleep it when it's flying if it's about to land.


Anyone know if you can sleep ouryu when he has stoneskin on? I'm curious to see if flying wyrm are just dot'd, or if it's an "erase" mode that kill the zzz

You can sleep him if he's DoT'd with Stoneskin.

[Dalmbraast]

Hrm... I thought he was just "hard to sleep" in the air, not immune. Sounds like we'll have to get some mistmelts, if this is the case. (Been almost two years or more since I've done this fight, but when I did it, I don't think we needed mistmelts at all when manaburning it...). Regardless, I've got capped Enfeeb merits, glamour jupon, so at lvl 50 with +11 flat enfeeb skill, I should be able to sleep him easily *without* ES, let alone with. /Sigh.

The only part I'm still confused about is the last sleep we tried to put on him, he was on the ground and no damage had been done to him since he landed, so there should have been no question that with ES, he should have been down like a baby.

Thanks for the help guys!

[Seditedi]

It won't say Ouryu resists Sleep if you cast it on him in the air.
It will actually say Ouryu is asleep but he won't actually sleep when he is flying.

[Shuemue]

Another possibility is macro lag, if you have an ES+Sleep macro, it's been known for ES to fire after Sleep has been cast. That way you think you've done ES+Sleep but he wakes immediately like he's got dot and flies off to rape you.

[Seditedi]

That is possible, but partial resists can happen even with ES (although it is rare).

[Kaylia]

"Ouryu is slept", one more random ability from the pld in the chatlog, then "Ouryu is no longer asleep". Then he goes up in the air,

Here you go. Unless the ability is shield bash, Ouryu was about to lift off and was "immune" to sleep. For the same reason, you can sleep it when it's flying if it's about to land.


Anyone know if you can sleep ouryu when he has stoneskin on? I'm curious to see if flying wyrm are just dot'd, or if it's an "erase" mode that kill the zzz

You can sleep him if he's DoT'd with Stoneskin.

That's not what I meant. I just wanted to know if sleep wear off when wyrm is flying because they automatically get a DoT on, of if it wear off because it erase sleep automatically every 3sec.

[Dalmbraast]

Another possibility is macro lag, if you have an ES+Sleep macro, it's been known for ES to fire after Sleep has been cast. That way you think you've done ES+Sleep but he wakes immediately like he's got dot and flies off to rape you.

Nay, no ES+Sleep macro. I used ES from the menu, sleep 2 from a macro. There was more than sufficient time between me hitting the ability and my sleep macro for it to register.

That is possible, but partial resists can happen even with ES (although it is rare).

*nods* For sure. But resisted on the first sleep? And every sleep after that, ALL of them ES'd? My sleep should land without it based on my gear and merits, and the last sleep done by a blm also with 75 rdm, and I'm pretty sure he has capped enfeeb merits as well.

Based on what other people have said, though, I shouldn't have issues sleeping him at all in the first place and that ES isn't needed until he starts resisting. This was the first sleep cast in the fight. I even doubled checked with the paladin to make sure he didn't shield bash it by accident, and he didn't. We're all still very perplexed. Gonna try again next week sometime. Hopefully the issue is resolved ... or we have mistmelts and can let the pld actually tank him this time. Heh.

[Seditedi]

It could be an NM issue, but seeing how no one else has reported any oddities with wyrms sleeping I'd wager someone woke it up with something or it just happened to be about to take off when you casted sleep II.

[Osede]

That's not what I meant. I just wanted to know if sleep wear off when wyrm is flying because they automatically get a DoT on, of if it wear off because it erase sleep automatically every 3sec.

Ouryu used to be able to be slept during flying when the mission just implemented. However, after that SE just patched it so that you not able to sleep it anymore when it is in air. It will jsut wake up right after you cast sleep.

[Wallslide]

You dont really need mistmelts to do the fight.

Run in ES Sleep2

time nukes

Once he flies. BIND him

Have another blm stand right at the covered part of the tunnel and ready bind on him again if he is in the air. If he lands and comes walking make sure the BLM has ES Sleep2 ready.

Then ready another freeze volley and you should be good with this strategy.

I've never personally had him resist a bind while in the air. Althought what everyone here says is correct. He is immune to sleep in the air. Same as tiamat and jorm.


***Disclaimer: when i helped on this fight he just flew and stayed at the enterance he didnt seem able to fly in. Which is why i recommended going towards the start of the bcnm to rest the other blm's mp.
Bind typically lasted for about 30sec + and didnt resist much

[Apelila]

It sounds like you got lagged when you slept him.

When I say this, I mean the server had said he was going up right then, and then your slept him = not asleep, but the animation lags so it appears as if he flew away after sleep landed. I see it dual boxing all the time, one screen shows something happen up to 2-3 full seconds before the other, usually on the longer 'charging' things like uber delay TP moves and crafting.

Nothing can beat hearing a BLM say 'what do you mean we're not supposed to Bio him?" after the first freeze volley though.