BLU Magical Build

[Callisto]

I haven't really messed around with any Magical BLU spells yet, I know that for most the MP cost:damage ratio is retarded, but are there any decent ones, and what's a good way to gear for them? I have some NQ errant pieces sitting around, Uggy Pendant, Denali Kecks, and I think Moldavite.

[arshesney]

Eyes On Me, Mind Blast, Firespit.
I messed around a few as blu/blm with mediocre gear at puddings camp: you're slightly above RDM nuking power: Eyes can lad for 600ish, Mind blast 700ish and I had a couple 900ish Firespits (with Burst Affinity).

Gear I used:

NQ staves/Bugard strap +1/Phantom thatulm
AF head/mnd,int or chr +3 neck/Loquacious/Magnetic or Moldavite
Errant body/Errant or Devotee/mnd,int or chr +4 rings
Red cape +1 or Jester's +1/Penitent's rope or Corsette +1/Errant slops/Cobra crackows

Errant body over AF because it does slightly better damage.
Puddings aside, the only spell worth the mp is Mind Blast: landed it for 600ish (MB) on KS99 Wyrm averaged around 400ish, but much more resists.
It is fun once in a while, but there are better options as DDing with BLU.

edit: Elemental seal doesn't work with magical BLU spells

[Xaosykotik]

Eyes On Me, Mind Blast, Firespit.
I messed around a few as blu/blm with mediocre gear at puddings camp: you're slightly above RDM nuking power: Eyes can lad for 600ish, Mind blast 700ish and I had a couple 900ish Firespits (with Burst Affinity).

Gear I used:

NQ staves/Bugard strap +1/Phantom thatulm
AF head/mnd,int or chr +3 neck/Loquacious/Magnetic or Moldavite
Errant body/Errant or Devotee/mnd,int or chr +4 rings
Red cape +1 or Jester's +1/Penitent's rope or Corsette +1/Errant slops/Cobra crackows

Errant body over AF because it does slightly better damage.
Puddings aside, the only spell worth the mp is Mind Blast: landed it for 600ish (MB) on KS99 Wyrm averaged around 400ish, but much more resists.
It is fun once in a while, but there are better options as DDing with BLU.

edit: Elemental seal doesn't work with magical BLU spells

Ya, don't listen to that guy.....cuzz ele seal DOES work with magical blu spells.


We could seriously go on for days and I'm sure most of it's included in that 20000 page blue mage findings thread, but I'll break it down real simple like.

Blue Mage magic based damage can be broken down into 2 groups....HP build and MAB build. Your HP build is for spells like Heat Breath Frost Breath and such. Damage is based on your total HP, Heat Breath being the best @ 50% Total HP = damage, so if you have 2000 HP you're doing 1000 damage before Saurian helm and Convergance. These spells are very nice in Dynamis Xarcabard. I find myself doing 1100+ (1300+ with Convergance) Heat Breath while the BLM's everyone depend on are having a rough time breaking 800 with AM2's.

Your second group is the MAB group.....these are spells that increase damage with Magic Attack Bonus. They include spells like Firespit, Eyes on Me, Regurgitation and such. Thing about them tho is they all have different stat modifiers wetjer it be INT MND CHR or a combination there of. These spells are great to have when you know you're going to need magic damage but can't switch bettween physical and HP gear without spending half your mp just to get back to full HP for a breath you just need the right gear setup behind them.
Obi's help a lot on them as well.....Eyes on Me works very nice in apollyon or dynamis with an obi...can do 1100+ with good setup.....Firespit always 1200+ MB for me 1k+ MB with Mindblast @ Fafnir. Correlation effects also help damage on these spells, while breath spells only resists and no added damage.


So every blu with only a physical spell setup and a half ass magic setup can bitch moan and whine that they don't do enough damage with magic based spells....guess they just need to learn when and how to use them.

[Callisto]

How's Magic Hammer? I thought I read something about that being decent somewhere...

[Xaosykotik]

How's Magic Hammer? I thought I read something about that being decent somewhere...

As far as damage goes....it's not very good....but if you have a good MND and MAB setup it's great for keeping up MP when you're soloing things like imps....without it i couldn't solo chain 7+.

[Spekkio]

i'd always written off non-breath based spells as strictly inferior to their physical counterparts (though this may be true for me atm at 66). i have a full morrigan's but i'd written most of it off as relatively useless for a blu (body ofc nice for refresh but most other pieces like hands i thought had little use). would i actually be able to pull out a decent damage/mp ratio on spells like mind blast or magic hammer with a full morg set? full set offers 15 MAB and 32 mnd. also, do you prime your nukes w/ memento mori or is the MP tradeoff just not there? i'm guessing you set spells for a MAB JT though, right, or do you simply toss them on as a bonus w/o configuring your spells specifically for it?

[Suiram]

Magic Hammer's damage is capped at a relatively low point, that's why it's not that great aside from the utility aspect of it. In general you can think of BLU magical (non-breath, non-needles) base damage as being broken down into two components, target-variant and target-invariant, just like elemental nukes.

The target-variant part is the (your INT/MND/CHR - mob INT/MND/CHR) * 1.0, 1.5 or 2.0. The target invariant part is the "V" as we've come to call it for nukes, but rather than being fixed based on the spell it's a function of your stats like WS mods. In general to boost your base damage you want to increase the target-variant stats as much as possible, then the target-invariant parts (if it's different) with any leftover choices. When you start asking about MAB vs. base damage you get back into that shit-is-situational area as with other magic damage, but I don't see a mix-and-match setup being better than full morrigans on at least the INT- and MND-based spells.

[Malinn]

My good friend and I have tried every conceivable way to make Magical BLU spells worth using, but the end result is just what everyone has been saying; breath spells onry.

[Xaosykotik]

My good friend and I have tried every conceivable way to make Magical BLU spells worth using, but the end result is just what everyone has been saying; breath spells onry.

Breath spells are nice because HP is honestly the easiest stat to improve, while other spells like firespit and mind blast require morrigan novio and all that hard to get gear to really cap out. However lets say you're doing dynamis and low on blm and you're killing statues with blu magic based spells. Eyes on Me and Firespit gonna do you a lot better than any breath spell would. It's all situational really.

[Marcicus]

This is something I used while I played around with Eyes on Me.

Main: Pluto's Staff
Sub: Bugard Strap +1
Ammo: ---- (use Imperial Egg or whatever gives +CHR)
Head: Mahatma Hat
Neck: Uggalepih Pendant for latent, Bird Necklace when not (or w/e gives +3 CHR, I forget. >_>)
L.Ear: Heims' Earring
R.Ear: Moldavite Earring
Body: Errant Hpl.
Hands: Morrigan's Cuffs
Ring1: Angel Ring
Ring2: Angel Ring
Back: Jester's Cape +1
Waist: Corsette +1
Legs: Errant Slops
Feet: Denali Gamashes

I stacked several +CHR spells, and I was doing around 500 easily during sea farming. Of course then I didn't have maxed out magical accuracy merits or Convergence, so that damage can easily be boosted up, especially with Voidstorm and the dark obi.

[Xaosykotik]

i'd always written off non-breath based spells as strictly inferior to their physical counterparts (though this may be true for me atm at 66). i have a full morrigan's but i'd written most of it off as relatively useless for a blu (body ofc nice for refresh but most other pieces like hands i thought had little use). would i actually be able to pull out a decent damage/mp ratio on spells like mind blast or magic hammer with a full morg set? full set offers 15 MAB and 32 mnd. also, do you prime your nukes w/ memento mori or is the MP tradeoff just not there? i'm guessing you set spells for a MAB JT though, right, or do you simply toss them on as a bonus w/o configuring your spells specifically for it?

Sad thing about my blu is that I literally have to know what I'm killing and casting before I even leave my mog house. The job requires so much just to be able to do proficiently. If I'm at lets say Faf/Nid, I'll /rdm or /blm and use nothing but magic based damage. It does a lot better than your physical spells (they're shit dmg + multi-hit spells would do nothing but feed it a ton of TP) + you get correlation effect from Eyes and Mindblast. You get nice damage over time and don't get that 1 nuke hate that blm's do after an MB sometimes.

If I plan on using spells from MAB set I'll always have Memento Mori set then either Eyes on Me or Sound Blast for MAB trait, Amplification for when Burst Affinity is down if I'm spamming magic based damage.

My favorite place to set up for is Nyzul assaults tho.....get a good mix of physical and magic damage. Went with another Blue one time......then we hit puddings. He wasn't prepared and could only do physical damage (like 98% of all blu). Then I wonder if I have the right to get angry cuzz I'm the only person killing these and I'm popping off 1200+ firespit while he's doing the same old multi-hit spell spam for shit dmg.

[Wenslydale]

The biggest problem I have always had with BLU is the amount of Equipment required for us to really be decent at anything. As it stands now I have over 100 pieces of gear of one job. Pick one set of gear, either INT/MND/CHR, or HP and stick with it. Depending on your budget INT/MND/CHR gear maybe the best option for you. I went with HP because I have more melee jobs that can use the gear and as I said, my space is limited. With a decent HP build, I consistently break 1k with Heat Breath and Frost Breath on xp mobs. I actually duo princes and puddings with a BLM friend and usually parse ~33%. It's not spectacular OMGWTFPWN damage, but we usually hit chain 4 before we're both out of MP.

[LinktheDeme]

Sad thing about my blu is that I literally have to know what I'm killing and casting before I even leave my mog house. The job requires so much just to be able to do proficiently. If I'm at lets say Faf/Nid, I'll /rdm or /blm and use nothing but magic based damage. It does a lot better than your physical spells (they're shit dmg + multi-hit spells would do nothing but feed it a ton of TP) + you get correlation effect from Eyes and Mindblast. You get nice damage over time and don't get that 1 nuke hate that blm's do after an MB sometimes.

If I plan on using spells from MAB set I'll always have Memento Mori set then either Eyes on Me or Sound Blast for MAB trait, Amplification for when Burst Affinity is down if I'm spamming magic based damage.

My favorite place to set up for is Nyzul assaults tho.....get a good mix of physical and magic damage. Went with another Blue one time......then we hit puddings. He wasn't prepared and could only do physical damage (like 98% of all blu). Then I wonder if I have the right to get angry cuzz I'm the only person killing these and I'm popping off 1200+ firespit while he's doing the same old multi-hit spell spam for shit dmg.

only reason spells do shit damage on fafnir is because no one is gonna let you use a cannonball or a vertical cleave set cause of flail

[Xaosykotik]

Yup, a total pain in the ass to gear, but I consider Blue Mage to be my main job so I keep setups for every spell. Pays off in the end for me at least.

[Xaosykotik]

only reason spells do shit damage on fafnir is because no one is gonna let you use a cannonball or a vertical cleave set cause of flail

OK....I guess I used a bad example cuzz ppl depend on sneak attack for damage too much lets change the mob to Jailer of Fortitude. Even with sneak attack your physical spells won't do much.

[Nevex]

Magical spells under normal circumstances are largely outclassed by physical ones in terms of damage/MP ratio.
Not only that but you when you set your usual blue magic spells (Head Butt, Dissevemernt, F.Rip and so on), most of them give little benefits to the magical side which prevents them from resulting useful at all.

However there are situations where a magical BLU proves to be much more efficient than a physical one, a prime example being a standard alliance setup Wyrm KS99.

Heat and Frost breaths don't work on it due its dual fire and ice resistance, and a physiacal BLU ends up doing very little damage with mono-hit spells. BLU/THF can Cannonball while it flies but really nothing else. Of course multi-hit ones are out of the question.

Try to get a spot in a party including BLMs, COR and another form of Refresh if possible, set all INT/MND spells, Amplification and MM.
Your SJ should ideally be RDM since it offers a major array of advantages over /BLM.
Depending on your gear you're looking up to a 1k damage Mind Blasts and 800~ Maelstroms.
Eyes on Me works wonders as well but it's hard to justify a completely devoted CHR set up for a single spell, even though it should be doing quite a lot of damage without that anyway. If you ever run out of MP, Magic Hammer and MP Drainkiss should be more than enough to refill you.

[eva00r]

With freaking pimped gear, morrigan's, mahatma, etc ...

BLU can nuke 10% more than BLM's Tier 3 in normal situation, 20% if Amplification on.
BLU can nuke equally as BLM's Tier 4 with BA/Memento Mori on. (Once every 2 mins)

[Dohorehn]

However there are situations where a magical BLU proves to be much more efficient than a physical one, a prime example being a standard alliance setup Wyrm KS99.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but BLU can basically stun lock the first half of KS99 Wyrm. At least that's what I always do. (Unless they've recently changed it?) And as I recall, Frenetic Rip always does reasonable damage on him. The occasional Mind Blast isn't so bad either, but I'd say phys. blu fairs quite well on him.

[Kaslo]

One thing to remember, atleast from my testing, is that 1 Stat (INT/MND/CHR depending on job) is about equivalent to 1 MAB. So some items like Denali Kecks will be beat out by Errant/Mahatma slops.

[VZX]

One problem with BLU magical spells is its low base damage. Though some of them have the same growth rate as T3 or T4 BLM nuke