Tier 2 Dahak Boss

[Neosutra]

I was tidying up my strats and was going over the input I had recieved on Dahak boss (we havent had him in a while), and remember someone saying that it was a good idea to ES silence him to avoid using some of his painful moves.

My concern is that if you do this with other Dahak in einherjar and ZNM, they will start using Body Slam as their primary move.

Does this follow suite with the Dahak boss?

[Linsivi]

I was tidying up my strats and was going over the input I had recieved on Dahak boss (we havent had him in a while), and remember someone saying that it was a good idea to ES silence him to avoid using some of his painful moves.

My concern is that if you do this with other Dahak in einherjar and ZNM, they will start using Body Slam as their primary move.

Does this follow suite with the Dahak boss?

No but it does unlock it, and all the other Dahak tp moves it does not do normally (petro eyes, the curse move, heavy stomp, etc). Voidsong does not do damage per buff lost, so you could just reaply or not even worry about using buffs on this mob.

[Kaylia]

I've to disagree about "reapplying" buff. The most efficient way to kill any mega in Einherjar is chainspell stun + melee zerg, and losing buff like Souleater, berserk, haste and Soulvoice'd songs is going to hurt you really bad and make the fight drag longer than needed. Sure, you can still win, but considering how much time you have to clear the zone, not going for the fastest method is kinda stupid.

With 27 ppl, it took us a single chainspell stun to kill it, and yesterday, we zerged it down again in ~30sec with 30ppl. This boss has really weak defense and should go down quickly, even with smaller group. We silence it to avoid a full dispel when we engage it, or if one ws slip through.

Assuming chainspell stun is over and it's not dead, you could simply have your blm stun body slam. Most melees have shadow, and none should die even if they get hit once. Petro eyes is a gaze attack, and can be avoided.

[Belkin]

Rotate 3 Soul Voiced BRD's through DD PTs then have a RDM/DRK use CS but just camp the TP moves with Stun (Hope your RDM has a good connection, have them first person mode and turn around from the Dahak).

[Neosutra]

Doesnt it build resistance to stun? CSS was always a bad idea on this i was told. Was planning to just have a rdm/drk focus on stunning body slam.

[Darkmoon]

we got 0 resists over 2 CS stunners (the second one didnt finish, as the mob was dead before 2nd CS stun was off).

The only Bosses we have had resist CS stun so far was the Vamp, and he did it from the start, and KB, cuz um hes KB.

Even the Marid who is supposed to build resistance to Stun didn't on Tuesday.

There are a few bosses we havent seen yet but for the most part I think that if you kill the mob in the duration of 1 - 1.5 CS stunners your perfectly fine on CS Stunning.

Guess that leads me to a question. I know the Buffalo does knockback etc, if your CS stun zerging it do you still drag it to the back hall so you can line up backs to the walls, or does CS stun block his knock back move so you can just run up and zarg where it stands?

Bosses we havent seen to verify CS stun:
Tier I:
Buffalo

Tier II:
Flan, Corse

Tier III:
Hydra, Timmy( which unless your just CS stunning him to keep him busy during the first 3-4 demons, I don't see a really any point in CS stun)

[Linsivi]

So I'm retarded and thought he meant the tier 2 dahak for znm... ignore me. Sorry ><

[Miraun]

ES silence him to avoid using some of his painful moves.

My concern is that if you do this with other Dahak in einherjar and ZNM, they will start using Body Slam as their primary move.

Does this follow suite with the Dahak boss?

Even if this boss does follow suit, wouldn't it be a GOOD idea to stack on ES silence? Body Slam is probably the largest charge time of any of the TP moves. Paired with a Chainspell stun, I bet a RDM could probably get 2 attempted stuns off in the time it takes Body Slam to charge and use. Even if he does build a resistance, which seems to have been debunked, you'd still potentially get off 2 attempts.

[Belkin]

All Einherjar bosses build resistance to stun. That is why I mentioned popping CS and then just camping TP moves with Stun...rather than spamming it.

[Kaylia]

All Einherjar bosses build resistance to stun. That is why I mentioned popping CS and then just camping TP moves with Stun...rather than spamming it.

I find this method risky, because pc tend to lag a bit when 30 people are fighting, and missing a ws isn't that hard. Maybe on Tier 3 NM like cerb/khim, but they are dead a long time before they start resisting usually.

[chapstick]

Last time I did this boss, I was DRK/NIN and had no problem stunning Body Slam and Voidsong whenever I could with stun/weapon bash. We had no chain stun, so I never got resisted. Also absorb TP landed pretty well, which might be pretty insignificant to his TP spam, but i guess it helped a little.

[Kaylia]

Voidsong is stunable? I thought it was a quick ws?

[chapstick]

Voidsong is stunable? I thought it was a quick ws?

It's stunnable, though more difficult than body slam. I think i only managed to get it with Weapon bash. When it went through, it only did like 2-300 i recall? Only had haste/shadows/food for buffs at that time i think.

edit: come to think of it it wasn't very spammy with voidsong that day, only used 2-3 times. pretty sure the blms were using ES silence whenever they could.

[Judai]

We take 2 RDM/DRK to every Einherjar and just CS Stun/Zerg every single Boss. It really makes most of them a total joke(Vamp/Dahak take about 45s to kill with this method). Depending on the Bosses resist to stun and their TP moves, depends on when we start CS. (Marid we start at 50%, most others at 100%)

For Dahak, we CS Stun at the start and a BLM ES Silences as we pull. Thing is a complete joke and dies with a whimper in about 45s.

In my opinion, no point in chancing things go wrong onthese Bosses and not zerging them down. Even with 10m+ left in the run we still zerg the boss just to be sure of the win. I've seen plenty of Bosses go on a rampage and wreck our ally to near wipe because we took it easy with "so much time left". The Dahak can definately tear apart an ally easily with Petro/Curse/Body Slam, so best to just cripple it a wreck it.