California Proposition 8 Case Re-Opening Online Petition

[Xenega]

There is a new online petition to re-open the case of California's Proposition 8, which makes a constitution amendment to make gay marriage illegal.

Re-open Proposition 8 for California Petition

To: California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
I, myself, and many Californians I know are disgusted with the hatred that the passing of proposition 8 brought. I am asking you to read this over, THE FACTS, not the propaganda. Open your mind for a minute, and realize that this is terrible for future generations as well. How do you know that your future children or grandchildren won't come to you and tell you they are homosexual? Wouldn't you want your child to live a life in which the love they found was supported? Plain and simple, if you are an American, you should believe in preserving the constitution. Proposition 8's passing took away the 14th amendment for a group of people, and I would like to give it back.

Facts v. Fiction
Proposition 8 would eliminate fundamental rights for a group of Californians. It’s unfair and it’s wrong.

Fiction: Prop 8 doesn’t discriminate against gay people.
Fact: Prop 8 is simple: it eliminates the rights for same-sex couples to marry. Prop 8 would deny equal protections and write discrimination against one group of people—lesbian and gay people—into our state constitution.

Fiction: Teaching children about same-sex marriage will happen here unless we pass Prop 8.
Fact: Not one word in Prop 8 mentions education. And no child can be forced, against the will of their parents, to be taught anything about health and family issues at school. California law prohibits it.
California’s top educators including Superintendent of Schools Jack O’Connell and California Teachers all agree: Prop 8 has nothing to do with education.

Fiction: Churches could lose their tax-exemption status.
Fact: The court decision regarding marriage specifically says “no religion will be required to change its religious policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs.”

Fiction: A Massachusetts case about a parent’s objection to the school curriculum will happen here.
Fact: California gives parents an absolute right to remove their kids and opt-out of teaching on health and family instruction they don’t agree with. The opponents know that California law already covers this and Prop 8 won’t affect it, so they bring up an irrelevant case in Massachusetts.

Fiction: Four Activist Judges in San Francisco…
Fact: Prop 8 is about eliminating a fundamental right. Judges didn’t grant the right, the constitution guarantees the right. Proponents of Prop 8 use an outdated and stale argument that judges aren’t supposed to protect rights and freedoms. Prop 8 is about whether Californians are willing to amend the constitution for the sole purpose of eliminating a fundamental right for one group of citizens.

Fiction: If Prop 8 isn’t passed, people can be sued over personal beliefs.
Fact: California’s laws already prohibit discrimination against anyone based on race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation. This has nothing to do with marriage.

Fiction: Pepperdine University supports the Yes on 8 campaign.
Fact: The University has publicly disassociated itself from Professor Richard Peterson of Pepperdine University, who is featured in the ad, and has asked to not be identified in the Yes on 8 advertisements.

Fiction: Unless Prop 8 passes, California parents won’t have the right to object to what their children are taught in school.
Fact: California law clearly gives parents and guardians broad authority to remove their children from any health instruction if it conflicts with their religious beliefs or moral convictions.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

If you live in California, and are 18+, please sign the petition!
Also, let your friends know, so they can sign it also!
As it stands now (8pm PST), there are over 190,000 signatures
But we still need a lot more signatures!!

Thanks!

[Kiro]

Can I lie and say I'm from California? I wants to sign~

[Xenega]

Maybe! Just keep your email private so that they can't contact you!
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[Exoduso]

Oh boy...

[Correction]

Online petitions are worthless.

Actual legal challenges from three different civil rights groups, on the other hand, do much more to keep the issue alive and fought for.

Lambda Legal: Proposition 8 Challenged

American Civil Liberties Union : Legal Groups File Lawsuit Challenging Proposition 8, Should It Pass

NCLR: The audacity to fight for justice. The perseverance to win.

Learn the difference :D

Edit: People still don't get the difference.

[Ksandra]

signed ^^

[Zosi]

Online petitions are worthless.

Actual legal challenges from three different civil rights groups, on the other hand, do much more to keep the issue alive and fought for.

Lambda Legal: Proposition 8 Challenged

American Civil Liberties Union : Legal Groups File Lawsuit Challenging Proposition 8, Should It Pass

NCLR: The audacity to fight for justice. The perseverance to win.

Learn the difference :D

QFT. Online petitions aren't worth the paper they aren't printed on. Get involved in the REAL organization to fight this thing.

[cotners]

The people have spoken and marriage has rightfully been restored. That is all.

[Correction]

The people have spoken and marriage has rightfully been restored. That is all.

troll moar

[Exoduso]

troll moar

Because he can't have a different opinion mirite?

[Tyche]

I need to make a petition to reexamine McCain. You know, even though it was voted on, and Barack won, the majority is meaningless and I'll fight with an awesome petition. If the people put their efforts into getting people to vote, it may have made a difference. I can almost assure you that everyone who has signed or will sign that petition didn't vote. I'm sure a lot did, or even most, but not all of them. There's just something that really irritates me that people want to completely ignore the political process. They did the right thing, put it to vote. It passed. If we went back and reexamined every bill that the minority disagreed with, our taxes would increase tenfold paying for the bullshit to cycle through.

[Xenega]

Well, technically, Prop. 8 hasn't passed or failed. We will know before December 2nd.
There are still around 1.6 million votes not counted yet. And Prop. 8 is only winning by about 500,000.

And the fact that only around 50% of people so far have voted Yes means that only about 1/2 the people have spoken in approval of it. So about half the people spoke against it. Honestly, I don't think people's civil rights should be determined by 51%.
But that's my opinion. If you think that gay people shouldn't have the right to be married, then by all means, go on and believe that. I just personally believe very differently.

[Tyche]

I didn't say gay people shouldn't be able to get married, honestly, I don't give a damn either way. Also, it was just a 4-3 ruling that allowed it in the first place, so by your ideals, it should have never went in in the first place, as only 57% were in favor. Is 51% not good enough, but 57% is OK? If popular vote shouldn't make the call, what should?

[Meian]

Because of my religion, I can not see two gay people being married in a Christian church under the eyes of God (this is strictly my opinion and belief)

HOWEVER,
If two gays wanted the benefits of being married then by all means they can have it in paper form, I could careless. I am only against them being married in a Christian church.

Oh, and Zosi is correct in every way XD

[Xenega]

Tyche, that wasn't meant to be directed to you at all.
It was more to Cotnors' comment.
I was trying to point out that "the people" have spoken down the middle, and there are still a lot of people who's votes are still yet to be counted.
I do think that when the vote is that close it should have a higher percentage when dealing with taking away rights, since gay marriage is already legal in California. The passing of Proposition 8 will take away the rights to gay marriage, forcing hundreds of gay marriages to be annulled. It takes away rights, like a second-class citizen, so it should not be decided by that small of a margin IMO.

[Huggo]

If popular vote shouldn't make the call, what should?

It's like a 16 year old kid on Xbox Live. Always have a lame excuse for losing.

[cotners]

troll moar

Not trolling, just what I believe.

[Xenega]

Because of my religion, I can not see two gay people being married in a Christian church under the eyes of God (this is strictly my opinion and belief)

HOWEVER,
If two gays wanted the benefits of being married then by all means they can have it in paper form, I could careless. I am only against them being married in a Christian church.

Oh, and Zosi is correct in every way XD

I understand where you are coming from, because I am Christian, and some of my closest friends are extremely devout to Christianity.
But, thankfully, churches are not forced to marry anyone in CA. Gay, straight, black, white.
If they were I could see a bigger issue, but because CA Law prohibits this, I don't think it should be too big of a deal when dealing with the church and gay marriages.

[Tyche]

Tyche, that wasn't meant to be directed to you at all.
It was more to Cotnors' comment.
I was trying to point out that "the people" have spoken down the middle, and there are still a lot of people who's votes are still yet to be counted.
I do think that when the vote is that close it should have a higher percentage when dealing with taking away rights, since gay marriage is already legal in California. The passing of Proposition 8 will take away the rights to gay marriage, forcing hundreds of gay marriages to be annulled. It takes away rights, like a second-class citizen, so it should not be decided by that small of a margin IMO.

Gay marriage was allowed by a margin very similar. 57%. BTW, they'll annul all the ones already married? That's pretty fucked up in and of itself. That's really really lame.

[Meian]

Tyche, that wasn't meant to be directed to you at all.
It was more to Cotnors' comment.
I was trying to point out that "the people" have spoken down the middle, and there are still a lot of people who's votes are still yet to be counted.
I do think that when the vote is that close it should have a higher percentage when dealing with taking away rights, since gay marriage is already legal in California. The passing of Proposition 8 will take away the rights to gay marriage, forcing hundreds of gay marriages to be annulled. It takes away rights, like a second-class citizen, so it should not be decided by that small of a margin IMO.

If they really made it illegal now would already successful marriages be removed from the record? I would think they would at least allow those who are already married on paper before making it illegal get away with it to compensate especially if by a small margin.