Summoner's Spats Change

[Miroku_Asura]

I was gearing up earlier today and noticed that Summoner's Spats were ninja edited from this:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/ff...onersSpats.png

to this:
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n.../smnspats2.png

Has anyone noticed a difference after the update regarding their spirit's casting?

[Blackbrock]

that's kind of what they always did, seems like a clarification edit.
if they wanted to be really clear they could have said "shortens casting interval for elemental spirits."

[SargentRemora]

Not that it matters, but text on the +1s have changed too

[Not Kuno]

I actually had Light Spirit buff me yesterday with those pants and it seemed to cast a bit faster then normal. But it's been so long that it might be normal.

[Yugl]

I actually had Light Spirit buff me yesterday with those pants and it seemed to cast a bit faster then normal. But it's been so long that it might be normal.

Could always test it without the pants if you're interested in finding out the effects or w/e.

[Alyric]

I never looked up but I assumed these were like fast cast for getting out Avatars besides carb/diab/puppy, is this not correct?

But they also shorten elementals' recast times? That I didn't know.

In either case the new definition is only slightly better than the last...

[Karbuncle]

i was under the impression we all knew it reduced the casting time inbetween spells for Spirits >.> and i don't even own the legs.

thought it was -3 Seconds or something?

[Kairos]

Are you serious, there are people that play smn a 75 and don't know what these do (thanks a lot astral burn)? The information is readily available. They have never had anything to do with faster summoning. They have always given a flat -5 to the recast timer on all spirit casting. -5 seconds is roughly equivalent to 15 skill as far as spirits go, so they are the pants to use when tossing a quick round of spells with a spirit.

[Malacite]

If it affects spirits, then why the hell does it say Avatars on the pants?

The two are not interchangeable.

[Thorny]

Maybe it's because SE didn't ever say spirits AREN'T avatars. Elemental Avatars could very easily refer to elementals(hurrrrdurr) that you summon(avatars). Sorry that square doesn't use your naming scheme. And yes, common knowledge that they've always reduced recast time for spirits and done nothing else.

[Not Kuno]

Are you serious, there are people that play smn a 75 and don't know what these do (thanks a lot astral burn)?

Lol? I've been smn since '05 and I never use spirits because they're useless pieces of crap. Pretty much everyone will agree before siphon they were just used for 1) Light Spirit buffing and 2) Quick cast to run the hell away from mob.

[Karbuncle]

Lol? I've been smn since '05 and I never use spirits because they're useless pieces of crap. Pretty much everyone will agree before siphon they were just used for 1) Light Spirit buffing and 2) Quick cast to run the hell away from mob.

C, Infinite playthings in Campaign battles pre-Fortifications Nerf. back when they took normal DMG.

Other than that yah, used only when you were bored >.> no real uses.

[Kaisha]

So just a clarification so people won't confuse it being for fast cast, rather than a decreased recast period?

As mentioned though, it really should say Elemental Spirits rather than Avatars given they bothered to try and 'clarify' it in the first place.

Shame spirits still suck for the most part. If they weren't such an MP hog (lolSpiritPerpMerits) they may have had a little role to play in situational shit if given a Ready system ala BST.

[Silenka]

Maybe it's because SE didn't ever say spirits AREN'T avatars. Elemental Avatars could very easily refer to elementals(hurrrrdurr) that you summon(avatars). Sorry that square doesn't use your naming scheme. And yes, common knowledge that they've always reduced recast time for spirits and done nothing else.

I approve of this post, also tyvm astral burn =( It might be somewhat vague but the info is all over the place for anyone who bothered to research the job while leveling it rather than using smn as nothing but a 2hr whore for mad xpz >.>

[Tsuko_Asura]

People were stupid long before astral burning existed, stop blaming it for everything.

[Silenka]

I wasn't blaming it for everything, I was simply concurring with a previous poster that AB is to blame for people being generally uninformed (not so much MISinformed) about the summoner job. Yes, people are stupid, but the wording IS also kind of vague on those pants - the wording is vague on a lot of items in FFXI though so it's always better to find out from a reputable source what an item does instead of making assumptions.

[Tsuko_Asura]

And I'm telling you that you're wrong. People care about being knowledgeable or they don't, the means in which they used to get to 75 are irrelevant. And quite frankly, I don't think its all that much of a stretch to say that it takes an equal amount of mental fortitude to successful execute an astral burn as it does to be a healer in the grind to 75.

[drwaffles]

I wasn't blaming it for everything, I was simply concurring with a previous poster that AB is to blame for people being generally uninformed (not so much MISinformed) about the summoner job.

You act like SMN is a complex job to begin with when it's actually one of the simplest jobs in the game, albeit nuanced due to its uniqueness. And sorry, but SMN really is pretty much only good for exping and a select few very low-man situations.

[chiyio]

FYI
Don't items go from a JP namer, then basically get loosely translated over to english? Sometimes very poorly translated (Simba Buckler, thf af2 pants come to mind)

[Tigress]

It's cool that they changed the wording on the pants for clarity.

I burned my smn from 47-75 in a week or so. I learned my job and knew what gear I had to get once I dinged 75. I didn't want to suck at it, much like my other jobs, so I took the initiative to look into it and get what was needed. It really depends on playstyle. I've noticed from personal experience that about 10% of the population just doesn't give a shit and does whatever they want to do instead of at least attempting to not suck. That 10% are the people who should delete their chars and toss their PCs out the window.