MDB DEF MDT PDT

[Juna]

me and ls mate have been discussing MDB def MDT and PDT and Ive come to understand from what Ive read that MDB works for the same cap as MDT of -50% damage taken or 256/256

he believes that in a sense MDB works like defense in that it lowers the damage in another way and -PDT subtracts from that

Ive explained to him that defense and PDT doesn't work like MDB and MDT but I may be wrong and want some info from people here norm. i don't bother with asking stuff but this is getting annoying

so if hes right you can push magic damage taken down to extreme limits since its easy to cap -MDT with gear? and what would that make shell? lol its understood that shell IV is 22%ish -MDT doesn't even sound right saying it

anyways thanks

[Cairthenn]

oh, okay

[Draylo]

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showt...=93292&page=50

[Xera]

I'm confused...if I'm reading that right, you're both wrong.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ca...g_Magic_Damage

Oh, http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93292

[Priran]

50% or 256/256

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/9...5373942511.jpg

[Juna]

sucky math is sucky math 4am in the morn and was gearing rdm while typing ;/

50% 128/256 you know what i meant >.>

ok let me explain again maybe i mixed myself up...

I think that MDB and MDT are the same thing 15+MDB = about 13 MDT then say you have aegis 20 MDT so you have 33 MDT. Im saying that MDB is in the same cap that MDT is, 40 MDT with 20 MDB is not going 56% MDT and any MDB or MDT beyond 50% is useless

ls mate says that even though you may reach the limit of -MDT with gear at 50% you MDB is NOT included in that cap and is separate means of reducing magic damage( like DEF and -PDT) and can still reduce magic damage take so you can have 50% with w/e gear /shell and still reduce damage with iron ram set
again..

I think MDB shell and MDT are all -MDT and cap at 50%

ls mate MDB w/e MDT cap 50%

Ive read both links before, not reading 50 pages to find out about this on a thread that has nothing to do with the subject but thanks

[Cairthenn]

I think that MDB and MDT are the same thing

15+MDB = about 13 MDT

Ok. So 15 = 13 if they are the same. Always. (Personal amusement here, don't need sarcastic response ^-^)

I think MDB shell and MDT are all -MDT and cap at 50%

No.

ls mate MDB w/e MDT cap 50%

Yes

Ive read both links before

Read harder. Stop wasting other peoples' time with stupid questions that have been discussed extensively just because you don't want to waste yours.

[Cairthenn]

Hell, anywhere will tell you that damage reduction (both) caps at 50% whereas everything else is calculated separately.

[Juna]

wow im wasting peoples time asking people a question on a forum about the game, with something that doesnt really say out right that mdb and mdt are not in the same caps? man i should just log off the internets forever then wouldnt want to do something internet like >.>

how about you stfu? because you have time the waste if your on a forum about a video game lmao just like everyone else on here

get off your horse man (hes) getting tired

[Juna]

matter of fact plz send me a link somewhere that says that lol, any where you look shell is "described" as magic defense that "reduces" magic damage

your one of those internet troll thingy's that everyone rants about aren't you?

to tired for this hopes someone else just tells me im wrong other then you

[Cairthenn]

wow im wasting peoples time asking people a question on a forum about the game, with something that doesnt really say out right that mdb and mdt are not in the same caps? man i should just log off the internets forever then wouldnt want to do something internet like >.>

how about you stfu? because you have time the waste if your on a forum about a video game lmao just like everyone else on here

get off your horse man (hes) getting tired

Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Edit: Yes, you are wasting our time. Leave.

Edit 2: You pulled the RL card. Leave.

Edit 3: You used a retarded cliche. Leave.

to tired for this hopes someone else just tells me im wrong other then you

I can tell you again for good measure. You are wrong.

[Priran]

man i should just log off the internets forever then wouldnt want to do something internet like

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9707/1973403799.jpg

[Cairthenn]

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9707/1973403799.jpg

This may be the delirium kicking in, but fucking lol.

Anyways, even a quick search on wiki could have given you answers: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ca...g_Magic_Damage

Happy?

[Juna]

i said that you have nothing but time to waste because you hang out on a forum and play a game all day and i used the rl card when i said like everyone here... kk got ya buddy see you have nothing BUT time to waste if you keep replying AND or checking this topic :D i need to get into the time wasting business since im so good at it. isnt that anything that involves entertainment? lol forums...? games.....? TV....? sports? lol stop replying plz

and that link tells me nothing the MDB part is not as detailed as the MAB part. and tbh just tells me that im right lol

[Chen]

no you're not juna, give it up.

it caps at 50%, go buy cheap magic gear and test in it.

just looking stupid atm

[Juna]

I never said it didnt cap at 50%... thats exactly what I said before if you read my post lol MDB MDT and shell all together can only reduce how much magic damage you take by 50%

[Juna]

as far as looking stupid im not trying to impress you :D like you have never looked stupid at anything lol just thought I'd ask a question and hope to be enlighten on it rather then be sent a link that tells me what im talking about no one has bother to explain how MDB reduces damage if its so much different then -MDT

I can look and see how defense works vs various things like attack ect but magic defense bonus doesnt work like defense exactly

[Kaeko]

MDT and PDT works similarly and are based in base^2 units as you correctly stated. Certain items even affect both such as Defending Ring and Odin gear.

Shell affects MDT. This is clearly stated on Wiki if you search Shell
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Shell_IV

If you have Shell IV on (-56/256), then wear a Merman's Ring (-10/256), you "add" these 2 effects together and you get cumulative -66/256. Because they are in base 2, the amount of -% damage taken on the description is not precise. Simply take the % stated from 256 and round down to find the real value.

MDT caps at 128/256 or 50%.

MDB works by dividing MAB. It's exactly how it was stated on that link you were given right above me here:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ca...g_Magic_Damage

Say you were dealt 1000 base damage but have MDB 10. Your MDB modifier is now (1+0.1=1.1). Instead of dividing the damage by 1.0, you now divide it by 1.1 (so you take 909 damage instead).

MDB has no known cap.

This explanation is clearly laid out on the wiki link.

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I suspect you are more interested in winning an argument with your friend than actually learning about MDB vs. MDT so here are the answers to your OP.

he believes that in a sense MDB works like defense in that it lowers the damage in another way and -PDT subtracts from that

He is partially correct. In the melee formula, part of the damage calculation involves Attack divided by Defense. Part of the magic damage formula involves MAB divided by MDB. In this, they are similar.

He is partially wrong because in the melee formula, there is a base damage that is unaffected by attack and defense. No such base damage exists for magic damage and 100% of the damage is affected by MDB. To expand on this, some mobs have extremely high base damage. Since base damage is not affected by Defense, you could have 100000 defense and it won't help you that much.

so if hes right you can push magic damage taken down to extreme limits since its easy to cap -MDT with gear? and what would that make shell? lol its understood that shell IV is 22%ish -MDT doesn't even sound right saying it

Was already answered above but Shell gives MDT at a specified X/256 amount that can be easily researched on wiki. If you have -128/256 MDT from gear, then add shell, your shell is useless because you already hit the 128/256 cap before shell.

This is one of the reasons why Aegis is so strong - with shell V you cap MDT without sacrificing any other gear. In a full magic damage reduction gear set, a PLD with Aegis can focus on purely stacking MDB.

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In the future, for simple questions like this, please use the "random question thread", which is stickied here. You will get faster answers.

[Kyte]

Is shining ruby MDB or MDT? The in-game description calls it a form of Shell, and the Calculating Magic Damage page lists it as MDT. However, the specific Shining Ruby page lists it as MDB.

[Neosutra]

MDT and MDB are seperate. MDT caps at 50%, MDB is a seperate function.

Did we learn this yet?