Refund?

[Kimiko]

Anyone know what the currency refund for finishing the Relic Knuckles is off-hand?

[Aerandir]

3000

[Zigma]

they're all 3000 right?

[layoneil]

they're all 3000 right?

that's the word on the street.

[Squirrels]

30 1 Hundred Byne Bills

[Cantide]

Unfortunately Square won't refund you the whole price when you realize that all relic weapons suck and aren't worth it and you want your currency back.

[Razz]

Unfortunately Square won't refund you the whole price when you realize that all relic weapons suck and aren't worth it and you want your currency back.

Thats why you don't upgrade a weapon but a shield instead

[Russta]

Unfortunately Square won't refund you the whole price when you realize that all relic weapons suck and aren't worth it and you want your currency back.

Thats why you don't upgrade a weapon but a shield instead

Or a Horn.

[chilicheese]

Unfortunately Square won't refund you the whole price when you realize that all relic weapons suck and aren't worth it and you want your currency back.

Thats why you don't upgrade a weapon but a shield instead

Or a Horn.

**** horn.

hay guyz i think i want to go to every single hnm camp as bard from now until i delete my character.

[berticus]

you get 3000 back from any upgrade

the only upgrade worth doing is horn. excalibur was an utter failure/waste for us as were a lot of melee weapons for others.

[Ankiseth]

hay guyz i think i want to go to every single hnm camp as bard from now until i delete my character.

Wrong, you're not allowed to delete your character, it has to stay within the LS to be 2boxed at every camp by someone else.

[chilicheese]

hay guyz i think i want to go to every single hnm camp as bard from now until i delete my character.

Wrong, you're not allowed to delete your character, it has to stay within the LS to be 2boxed at every camp by someone else.

XD

[Zigrah]

I think the dagger is pretty nice, I mean would it justify the money... probably not. The DPS is unrivaled though and if I had that much money to waste like Songokou I wouldn't call it worthless.

They are all kind of overpowered though and grant immense bragging rights. It would be funny to go up against excalibur in Ballista and get nailed by the additional effect. Of course most people wouldn't consider ballista a worthwhile use, I am just an addict.

[layoneil]

to personally increase your E-Pen they all work, for an LS to devote time to it, none of them are worth it. but Horn and Shield are closest depending on how your LS operates.

[Alleya]

R5 knuckles would make you a ballista HNM.

R5 Great Katana is arguably the only good one for endgame, imo. (not including horn since that's in a class all its own)

[Zigrah]

Yeah I wouldn't obtain one from a linkshell point of view, I think it's insane you guys did that but still very cool. I would definitely not want to be the one getting the item, I would feel to obligated to be on all the time and guilty for not doing so.

I hope they start making them more obtainable in the distant future, for now I don't mind but as more and more start to surface it does make some people more powerful than others and it's already annoying enough when you see people in nice gear that is near impossible to get due to the ratio of pops/drops applied to the number of people at end game. Nidhogg alone annoys me but even Fafnir who pops a lot more doesn't pop enough.

[Razz]

Getting a horn would mean you would never be allowed to use the "change job" feature on that character ever again, then again you don't really need a relic horn to be a fulltime bard.

[nivlakian]

Just for sake of curiousity, what would people change about the weapons to make them worthwhile and not overpowered (or should they simply be the exception to overpowered)?

Are people looking for something that drastically alters battles and if so, would people be ok with monsters such that people say "We can't beat this because we don't have someone with XXX weapon".

[Soje]

R5 knuckles would make you a ballista HNM.

R5 Great Katana is arguably the only good one for endgame, imo. (not including horn since that's in a class all its own)

I have seen SS of a 75 pld in Koenig vs a pimped out mnk with the relic. Mnk got owned pretty badly and the weapon skill only hit for like 200 dmg or something... going to try and find the link.

Edit:
Dam it is in a private section so I can't post the link. Final Haven did 195 damage.

[Alleya]

Never said Final Heaven was any good.

R5 knuckles = 400+ damage criticals (imagine one of those going off in asuran fists) and enhanced counter (I hear it sometimes gives tp back when countering) best dmg/delay ratio with ridiculously high +dmg, which is what monk is all about.

(interesting fact: the d/de ratio for destroyers is fractionally more efficient than R5 knuckles)