Really newbie question about Utsusemi

[Metah]

Alright, I've finally decided to level Ninja after like 3 years to free up some of my inventory space on those scrolls. Yeah, lolnoninsub whatever

So, I just learned Utsusemi. However, I'm having trouble figuring out when to cast it in battle. I'm only level 14.

When should I cast my Ichi to make the best use of it? The only way I seem to get my spells through it with the help of an evasion or parry. I tried to cast it so that the mob hits me just under 20% so I shouldn't get interuppted, but it hits me again at like 75% just before cast and interuppts me. This is what I do with my RDM when I'm soloing and using Stoneskin... most of the time it works. Obviously the casting times are different, plus I have all that Fast Cast, but it seems pretty close in casting time after all that. So why isn't it working?

I have one Spell Interupption Rate- merit, but obviously -2% isn't gonna do much on its own.

[Carnusty]

I think the best bet is to start casting when you have one shadow left up, so that when/if the mob hits the shadow, it'll be replaced np

That's what I do/did anyways when I have to cast ichi :3

[Osede]

before you got ni, just cast when got one shadow left like above said. Since that ichi able to overwrite ichi. Until you got ni, then you will need to manual cancel the last shadow of ni when you casting ichi

[quannum]

get a war or /war to voke off you or grab another nin and dual tank

[Baha]

If you have shadows on, recast before last gets wiped. Can't keep this up indefinitely at low level though, recast will get you, so if you're shadowless and need to get it up, your method should work, but slow will help a ton on some mobs. Levelling NIN really makes you appreciate RDM's who stick a juicy slow or para. ^^

Oh, and for mandies, recast between their two swings, works every time. Figured you'd run into them soon enough.

[Budonez]

Oh, and for mandies, recast between their two swings, works every time. Figured you'd run into them soon enough.

For Mandies, I recommend grabbing a WAR or PLD tank and DDing your way through the jungle, that's what I did on NIN.

[Metah]

Does Ni overwrite Ichi when NIN is a subjob?

[SephYuyX]

Does Ni overwrite Ichi when NIN is a subjob?

Im pretty sure it does... though I tend to never cast Ni when Ichi is still up, Ni is fast enough you can see Ichi wiped, and still get Ni up betwn attack rounds.

[Metah]

Hmmmm OK, thanks for the advice everyone.

[Senji]

Does Ni overwrite Ichi when NIN is a subjob?

yes

[cdgreg]

when i was leveling nin as a possible SJ for blm I would make sure I had the 3 shadows up well before the pull so after i got hit twice I would be able to cast again. During the cast I'd usually get hit for the 3rd and final shadow but before the mob could swing again I would be done with my cast and thus have 3 more shadows up. Barring a double attack it did not seem uncommon for the exp mob to be at 50-60% before the mob was through my "6" shadows.


edit: before i get attacked for /nin on blm it was for LBC before mnk tanking was discovered lol

[Delekii]

If you have no shadows up, you can still get a fresh Ichi off if you start at the exact right time. JUST before the mob attacks, hit your ichi macro and if you are lucky it will go off despite the mob hitting you just as it finishes.. Hopefully your mage will be casting slow too, since slow makes it relatively easy to recast ichi between attacks.

[cassiraa]

Oh, and for mandies, recast between their two swings, works every time. Figured you'd run into them soon enough.

This is actually valid across the board:

Every spell interruption check is performed at the very very beginning of the enemy's attack, when they switch from 'idle' animation to 'attack' animation. Start casting when the mob draws its weapon back or begins its attack, and even if it hits you full on crit double attack w/e, as long as you started casting after their animation began, your spell will go off seamlessly.

This includes slow hitting mobs like Gigas, Start casting at the first hint of their windup, and you'll be fine even if the visible effect hits you at 40% cast time.

[Credos]

Oh, and for mandies, recast between their two swings, works every time. Figured you'd run into them soon enough.

This is actually valid across the board:

Every spell interruption check is performed at the very very beginning of the enemy's attack, when they switch from 'idle' animation to 'attack' animation. Start casting when the mob draws its weapon back or begins its attack, and even if it hits you full on crit double attack w/e, as long as you started casting after their animation began, your spell will go off seamlessly.

This includes slow hitting mobs like Gigas, Start casting at the first hint of their windup, and you'll be fine even if the visible effect hits you at 40% cast time.

This is one thing that NIN don't get about Charbydis, but a very important part of the fight.

[SassiAsura]

Must cast ichi?

No shadows up, cast just before mob swings at you. It will rarely interrupt and you'll have it casted by the time it swings at you again.
Of course, double attack and faster attack rates may just mess that up... along with crits and knock back.

Ni... cast whenever.

[Shuemue]

edit: before i get attacked for /nin on blm it was for LBC before mnk tanking was discovered lol

Every end-game BLM should have /nin available imo anyway.

[Ferien]

Oh, and for mandies, recast between their two swings, works every time. Figured you'd run into them soon enough.

This is actually valid across the board:

Every spell interruption check is performed at the very very beginning of the enemy's attack, when they switch from 'idle' animation to 'attack' animation. Start casting when the mob draws its weapon back or begins its attack, and even if it hits you full on crit double attack w/e, as long as you started casting after their animation began, your spell will go off seamlessly.

This includes slow hitting mobs like Gigas, Start casting at the first hint of their windup, and you'll be fine even if the visible effect hits you at 40% cast time.

Actually, if you get a good feel for the mob, you're better starting your cast within a second before the attack round begins. You won't get interrupted if you're hit within the first 15% or so of Ichi, and if you time it right, you can get your cast off without a hitch. Of course, there's also Elegy and Slow which make it ridiculously easy...

[Talisien]

Another thing that wasn't mentioned here but helped me was to recast Ichi as soon as the fight ended.

That way when the next fight starts your Ichi timer is reset to 0 and once your 3 shadows are stripped, you're free to get the next 3 immediately.

[Septimus]

Oh, and for mandies, recast between their two swings, works every time. Figured you'd run into them soon enough.

This is actually valid across the board:

Every spell interruption check is performed at the very very beginning of the enemy's attack, when they switch from 'idle' animation to 'attack' animation. Start casting when the mob draws its weapon back or begins its attack, and even if it hits you full on crit double attack w/e, as long as you started casting after their animation began, your spell will go off seamlessly.

This includes slow hitting mobs like Gigas, Start casting at the first hint of their windup, and you'll be fine even if the visible effect hits you at 40% cast time.

This is one thing that NIN don't get about Charbydis, but a very important part of the fight.

I just fought him last week to help someone get a Joyeuse. It is amazing to see it sit around when it has Slow II and Elegy on. I almost felt bad using Paralyze II and Blind on it, but then I remembered that it deserves that kind of treatment.

[Credos]

Oh, and for mandies, recast between their two swings, works every time. Figured you'd run into them soon enough.

This is actually valid across the board:

Every spell interruption check is performed at the very very beginning of the enemy's attack, when they switch from 'idle' animation to 'attack' animation. Start casting when the mob draws its weapon back or begins its attack, and even if it hits you full on crit double attack w/e, as long as you started casting after their animation began, your spell will go off seamlessly.

This includes slow hitting mobs like Gigas, Start casting at the first hint of their windup, and you'll be fine even if the visible effect hits you at 40% cast time.

This is one thing that NIN don't get about Charbydis, but a very important part of the fight.

I just fought him last week to help someone get a Joyeuse. It is amazing to see it sit around when it has Slow II and Elegy on. I almost felt bad using Paralyze II and Blind on it, but then I remembered that it deserves that kind of treatment.

I can't decide which level II enfeeble I love more, Slow II or Paralyze II.