Dynamis-Tavnazia with less than 18?

[Secksi]

Planning on running Tavnazia tonight and didn't exactly get the turnout I was hoping for due to holidays and some people missing a win.

Would it be feasible at all with 13-15 people? I think the whole group has collectively done this one about 3 times, so there isn't much experience. Though we're all well geared/merited. If you think it is possible what would the party setups look like? A tp burn and a blm party? We can't go full manaburn but I'm sure we could go full tp burn if that's somehow better.

[Izzy]

Planning on running Tavnazia tonight and didn't exactly get the turnout I was hoping for due to holidays and some people missing a win.

Would it be feasible at all with 13-15 people? I think the whole group has collectively done this one about 3 times, so there isn't much experience. Though we're all well geared/merited. If you think it is possible what would the party setups look like? A tp burn and a blm party? We can't go full manaburn but I'm sure we could go full tp burn if that's somehow better.

I'd go full TP burn with a few RDM's for sleep. You're not gonna be able to do much with the lack of mages though. I'd stick to just getting the extensions, then farming bees until you run out on both floors. Going to be really hard to handle Taurus/Hydra pulls with minimal mages.

[Secksi]

Hmm, thanks! If I somehow pull 18 what setup would you suggest? 2x melee party 1x blm party? Are paladins needed/desired at all?

Edit-and are we talking ddx3, rdm, whm, brd parties for the melee or 4x dd, brd, rdm? Basically, how much damage should we be ready to take.

[Izzy]

Hmm, thanks! If I somehow pull 18 what setup would you suggest? 2x melee party 1x blm party? Are paladins needed/desired at all?

Edit-and are we talking ddx3, rdm, whm, brd parties for the melee or 4x dd, brd, rdm? Basically, how much damage should we be ready to take.

To answer your first question, we normally bring:

1:1 PLD PLD WHM WHM RDM BLM
1:2 BLM BLM BLM BLM RDM BRD
1:3 Melee x5 BRD

You can replace the BLM in 1:1 with a NIN if you need some more vokes to keep slept mobs off the mages.

To answer your second question:

The Melee x4 BRD RDM should be able to keep up with healing. The RDM doesn't have to do much but refresh himself, and haste key Melee. He should have more than enough MP to be healing. Just make sure you bring an extra RDM to help him out with the sleeps. If you're fighting bees, that's generally really easy as they don't do any AoE. If you're fighting Hydra...good fucking luck lol.

[Secksi]

Hmm, thanks! If I somehow pull 18 what setup would you suggest? 2x melee party 1x blm party? Are paladins needed/desired at all?

Edit-and are we talking ddx3, rdm, whm, brd parties for the melee or 4x dd, brd, rdm? Basically, how much damage should we be ready to take.

To answer your first question, we normally bring:

1:1 PLD PLD WHM WHM RDM BLM
1:2 BLM BLM BLM BLM RDM BRD
1:3 Melee x5 BRD

You can replace the BLM in 1:1 with a NIN if you need some more vokes to keep slept mobs off the mages.

To answer your second question:

The Melee x4 BRD RDM should be able to keep up with healing. The RDM doesn't have to do much but refresh himself, and haste key Melee. He should have more than enough MP to be healing. Just make sure you bring an extra RDM to help him out with the sleeps. If you're fighting bees, that's generally really easy as they don't do any AoE. If you're fighting Hydra...good fucking luck lol.

So with 12 or 13 we're getting max 1hr and maybe some -1 legs. Ok thanks a lot for your help

[Suiram]

You should be able to get the full 2 hours, the question is how much you'll really be able to do with it. For what it's worth when we get 18 we usually go with

PLD PLD RDM WHM BRD SMN (SMN is mostly because one of our dynamis LS's most dedicated members and avid Tav enthusiasts is SMN-only)
Meleex4 BRD WHM
BLMx4 RDM and 6th slot depending on the jobs of the people who showed interest, another BLM or a THF or a WHM or something

I think the lowest we've ever done is with 14ish, just because the people who love Tav really love Tav, and are averse to canceling it with low turnout, but that was only once. The problem with low numbers isn't going to be getting extensions or even speed of kills--although they will be perceptibly slower--but rather handling all the mobs at once. Some of those Kindred/Taurus pulls are hell even with a full BLM pt just because they resist sleep so much, and wake up from them so quickly. I don't see Hydra being too much of a problem just because the pulls are somewhat smaller, they seem to sleep a bit easier, and worst case scenario they move at regular speed so are pretty easy for someone to kite around the half-circle on that floor if things are ugly.

[Izzy]

You should be able to get the full 2 hours, the question is how much you'll really be able to do with it. For what it's worth when we get 18 we usually go with

PLD PLD RDM WHM BRD SMN (SMN is mostly because one of our dynamis LS's most dedicated members and avid Tav enthusiasts is SMN-only)
Meleex4 BRD WHM
BLMx4 RDM and 6th slot depending on the jobs of the people who showed interest, another BLM or a THF or a WHM or something

I think the lowest we've ever done is with 14ish, just because the people who love Tav really love Tav, and are averse to canceling it with low turnout, but that was only once. The problem with low numbers isn't going to be getting extensions or even speed of kills--although they will be perceptibly slower--but rather handling all the mobs at once. Some of those Kindred/Taurus pulls are hell even with a full BLM pt just because they resist sleep so much, and wake up from them so quickly. I don't see Hydra being too much of a problem just because the pulls are somewhat smaller, they seem to sleep a bit easier, and worst case scenario they move at regular speed so are pretty easy for someone to kite around the half-circle on that floor if things are ugly.

This is what I was getting at.

With a lower amount of people and no BLM party, you're going to have a hell of a time handling those Kindred/Taurus pulls.

[Seditedi]

You should be able to get the full 2 hours, the question is how much you'll really be able to do with it. For what it's worth when we get 18 we usually go with

PLD PLD RDM WHM BRD SMN (SMN is mostly because one of our dynamis LS's most dedicated members and avid Tav enthusiasts is SMN-only)
Meleex4 BRD WHM
BLMx4 RDM and 6th slot depending on the jobs of the people who showed interest, another BLM or a THF or a WHM or something

I think the lowest we've ever done is with 14ish, just because the people who love Tav really love Tav, and are averse to canceling it with low turnout, but that was only once. The problem with low numbers isn't going to be getting extensions or even speed of kills--although they will be perceptibly slower--but rather handling all the mobs at once. Some of those Kindred/Taurus pulls are hell even with a full BLM pt just because they resist sleep so much, and wake up from them so quickly. I don't see Hydra being too much of a problem just because the pulls are somewhat smaller, they seem to sleep a bit easier, and worst case scenario they move at regular speed so are pretty easy for someone to kite around the half-circle on that floor if things are ugly.

I've done this zone a few times... I really don't understand how people say the Kindred/Taurus partial resist sleepga II so often. Never had trouble sleeping them full duration(even after a few rounds of sleep II) as BLM even prior to enfeebling merits, but yes without a full BLM pt keeping everything slept will be a mess on some of the larger pulls.

[Secksi]

Thanks for everyone's help. We didn't get to go last night, mainly because there was actually another shell with it scheduled. Oops... Anyway, with our turnout and what was written here I probably would have cancelled it anyway. Waiting till Jan now to finally get to go.

[Seditedi]

Don't remember off hand.. been a while since I've done this zone but the upstairs pulls unlinked are like 1 eye+1 taurus+3 kindred I think, pretty messy pulls, definitely wanna have 2 PLD or so to hold the slept mobs so they aren't waking up and eating BLMs. I'd say as an ideal setup bring a tank party, melee party, blm party.
Bring top notch melees not just anyone and same goes for the BLMs, and ofc a THF for drops.