Microsoft - The Nazi's of the 21st Century

[Angelsin]

Yeah it's been said before but now after hearing and seeing shit first hand this is just ridiculous.

- Office 2010 as of now will no longer support html coding and will ONLY use Word.

- Direct X 10 is only available for Beta (Vista) but there's no reason at all why it can't be on XP. I've heard through my IT guy that someone is trying to crack it for XP users. (And the advertising of DX10 on MS's hompage is great - comparing Halo 1 with DX9 and Crysis with DX10 lol)

- But the biggest fuck you by Microsoft by far is the extent they are going to in regards to laptop manufactures. I bought some HP DV6258se laptops about 3 months ago and converted them to XP. Now we need more now so I go and buy some similar ones (DV6660's). These models will NOT except XP at all. The drivers for everything will not work as long as XP is on the system. HP refuses to provide any support for XP on any of the newer models of laptops. Apparently HP isn't the only ones doing this.

I'm not a Mac fan but am really thinking about getting one with all this bullshit.

Oh and I called HP to try and get a laptop with the exact same features as the ones I previously got. Would have cost $2000 ($1000 over the 6660 model) and to add another GB of ram raises the price by $1300. Cue the Fry "I see what you did there" picture.

[Maxxthepenguin]

- WE WILL MAKE OUR 360s BREAK AND YOU WILL LIKE IT

[evilbau]

I totally see the similarity between invading other countries, fascism, and the holocaust to not writing drivers for legacy operating systems. When I saw your title I thought you were going to blow it out of proportion.

btw i think you meant 'accept' there...

[Cephius]

Since when did people code HTML in office anyway?

People are already cracking ways to enable DX10 features in XP, its not a big deal.

How is HP not providing XP drivers Microsoft's fault again? I downgrade and upgrade machines all the time, there are always drivers available for most things. Get a dell, or build a machine yourself or something.

Not to say microsoft doesn't have its fair share of shady business practices but your points really don't have much of a shock factor.

[Scorp]

This thread was over before it started in more than one way.

Xbox breakage is a bit meh, but on the positive side the more they alienate people with software restrictions the more people will jump on alternatives. The more people jump on alternatives the more viable they become etc.

[Ishido]

Fastest Godwin's law ever.

[Charla]

People still use Microsoft Office?

[Egon]

Its a cooperation. They can make their products compatible/uncompatible with anything they want. If you don't like it, then don't buy their stuff. Xbox 360 included.

[Khamsin]

Its a cooperation. They can make their products compatible/uncompatible with anything they want.

Since they can make their products compatible/uncompatible with anything they want with no legal repercussions, I wonder why they haven't tried selling favoritism on compatibility issues yet. Given their strong foothold in the market, and the dependence so many people have on them, they could probably make a lot of money by purposefully making things work well or not so well with their OS, to blackball competitors or request payment to make them more compatible.

[Angelsin]

Since when did people code HTML in office anyway?

It's called default configuration and has been a feature in Office since 2000..... Seems you're not familar with emails and html aspect of Outlook at all.

People are already cracking ways to enable DX10 features in XP, its not a big deal.

Yeah I know. That's why I said: "Direct X 10 is only available for Beta (Vista) but there's no reason at all why it can't be on XP. I've heard through my IT guy that someone is trying to crack it for XP users."

How is HP not providing XP drivers Microsoft's fault again? I downgrade and upgrade machines all the time, there are always drivers available for most things. Get a dell, or build a machine yourself or something.

I think you've missed everything I said about this topic. Microsoft is forcing the computer manufactures to no longer make any drivers for XP for any of their newer laptop models. Can HP make drivers for their laptops for XP? Sure they can, but they're not allowed. Continuing the whole Vista only concept and stopping people from downgrading to the better operating system. And everything that does come with XP is double or triple the price is was just a few months ago.

Did you think I meant that I couldn't find the drivers and this yet another "I hate microsoft" rant to add to the list you've already heard? I spent 3 days fucking with drivers and HP's tech support before I got a tech that stated they can't give any drivers for XP for any of their newer laptops. A Dell? Are you fucking serious? And laptops aren't exactly the easiest things to build. I build desktops, unfortunately I have to buy laptops. I am checking around for places that can build laptops.

A lot of the commenting here shows how this topic isn't for you. This wasn't completely a rant, it was a warning. Some people don't like Vista and don't want it. And hey, if you're going to upgrade your computer that's going to come with Vista then why not replace Vista with the XP version you already have? Seems like a good idea to me and I know I'm not alone on this thought. Expecially if you're aware that Sevice Pack 3 for XP is suppose to increase performance by 12%. Well the problem is that you can't do that anymore because the manufactures aren't making the drivers for XP for any of the newer laptops. If anyone else was planning on doing what I was going to do (replace Vista with XP on a laptop) there are some laptops out there that have XP drivers but they are being phased out. All the newer HP models are not supported with XP drivers. There are some Toshiba laptops that still have XP drivers available. So yeah if your company is planning on getting new laptops and wanting XP on them, I highly recommend acting on that now.

I wonder why they haven't tried selling favoritism on compatibility issues yet. Given their strong foothold in the market, and the dependence so many people have on them, they could probably make a lot of money by purposefully making things work well or not so well with their OS, to blackball competitors or request payment to make them more compatible.

Couldn't agree more.

[Melena]

was the same thing when xp came out. Companies stopped making drivers for 98/ME. And in 7-8 years when vista's replacment comes out, the same will happen again.

[Correction]

was the same thing when xp came out. Companies stopped making drivers for 98/ME. And in 7-8 years when vista's replacment comes out, the same will happen again.

Actually it's not the same thing. When XP came out 98/ME was 2 generations back; support for 2000 was still strong and didn't die 6 months after XP's release. Vista eclipsing XP this way is way ahead of schedule by anybody's account.

[evilbau]

was the same thing when xp came out. Companies stopped making drivers for 98/ME. And in 7-8 years when vista's replacment comes out, the same will happen again.

Actually it's not the same thing. When XP came out 98/ME was 2 generations back; support for 2000 was still strong and didn't die 6 months after XP's release. Vista eclipsing XP this way is way ahead of schedule by anybody's account.

XP has been out for over 6 years

[aznmajiktaru]

I actually just received my laptop today and coincidentally it's also a HP lol . I was planning to just torrent xp corporate then downgrade it but if there's no drivers and stuff then <____>. I mean the main reason i dislike xp is cause, hi this os takes up 43% system resources(ok there's misc shit in there too) just by being turned on lol.

[Correction]

was the same thing when xp came out. Companies stopped making drivers for 98/ME. And in 7-8 years when vista's replacment comes out, the same will happen again.

Actually it's not the same thing. When XP came out 98/ME was 2 generations back; support for 2000 was still strong and didn't die 6 months after XP's release. Vista eclipsing XP this way is way ahead of schedule by anybody's account.

XP has been out for over 6 years

Microsoft's unofficial/unpublished Way of Going About Things has been to support the legacy OS until it is '2 generations back.' This has been true since the days of Windows 3.##. Because of this hardware manufacturers follow suit. It's not about how old the OS is, it's about computers being durable goods and the OS having value beyond being 'cutting edge.' Stable, well-known platforms > 'the new thing' every time in a business environment, and not offering XP on new hardware is just dumb business.

[Cephius]

Again, where the fuck do you get the idea that Microsoft is the cause of your problems with HP? Are you personal buddies with the executives of HP and Microsoft, and did they tell you "yes, Microsoft is forcing HP to stop support of all its XP drivers in favor of Vista!"

Seriously, if you have that big of a problem go install Linux and shut the fuck up about Microsoft being the devil of the world. So tired of people like yourself having a problem with a computer company and immediately proclaiming Microsoft as the bringer of the plague.

This topic isn't for me? The fact that you

A) really believe HP isnt "allowed" to release XP drivers
B) bought a vista-only laptop when you didn't want vista
C) refuse to admit you could have just bought an XP dell (or are they the devil too?)
D) actually compared microsoft to nazis

shows that you are just QQing for no good reason and should have never made this topic in the first place.

[Charla]

Maybe his company has a contract with HP or something, so they're only allowed to buy HP products when they need something. It's fairly obvious that he's some sort of IT guy for a company of some sort.

[Cephius]

Maybe his company has a contract with HP or something, so they're only allowed to buy HP products when they need something. It's fairly obvious that he's some sort of IT guy for a company of some sort.

Just to reinforce my point about this being an isolated issue:

Link to Notebook PC on HP's front page: http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopp ... multimedia

Link to Driver support for the same series laptop: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/soft ... 46&lang=en

oh my gosh! XP drivers! In fact, almost every laptop on that page, which are brand new Vista-supporting laptops, have links to XP drivers right there. But clearly I'm wrong, Microsoft is the devil, and HP aren't allowed to support XP drivers.

I apologize for coming off as a huge dick, but this kind of anti-microsoft stuff really gets to me. I work in IT too and I come across these issues too but it's honestly once in awhile and it doesn't warrant labeling them something as horrible as Nazis. If you have a driver problem there are almost always support for it SOMEWHERE unless HP uses exclusive parts for their laptops (unlikely)... I don't love Microsoft and I don't agree with everything they do, but I also don't agree with labeling them as the devil and accusing them of stuff like this.

[Norelco]

Is this one of those threads freaking out about something no one really knows about for sure? Way to blow things out of proportion.

[Takeno]

I dont know why everyone freaks out so much about Vista, after setting it correctly it runs perfectly in my laptop.