Ixion's Cloak

[eva00r]

Got a few questions about this.
What's a good price range for Ixion's Cloak ? (or the price that you have seen this bazaared in your server)
How much are you willing to pay for this ?
How useful of this item for each job that can equip (except brd blu pup that I already know) ?

FYI Stats
Ixion's Cloak [Rare]
Body+Head slots
DEF43 INT/MND/CHR+13 M.Acc+5
Add Regen and Refresh Effect
WHM/BLM/RDM/BRD/SMN/BLU/PUP/SCH

Thanks.

[Zosi]

Got a few questions about this.
What's a good price range for Ixion's Cloak ? (or the price that you have seen this bazaared in your server)
How much are you willing to pay for this ?
How useful of this item for each job that can equip (except brd blu pup that I already know) ?

1) Whatever people will pay. See answer #2.
2) Personally, I'd pay about 2-3 mil max, and that's assuming I didn't already have better gear for each of my jobs, which I do. See answer #3.
3) I'll go over my own jobs.
RDM - Better than Vermy for idling, worse than any of Morrigan's Robe, Duelist's Chapeau or Dalmatica. If you're casting in Errant body+hat or similar, it might be equal or close for enfeebling, but if you need any kind of accuracy, you'd want AF body anyways, making it useless. I'll give it a C+. At least it's not a Chasuble, amirite?
WHM - Grade: F. For "get the *F*uck out". Buy a Noble's, wear it. Maybe Stoneskin gear? Probably not, it's not hard to cap SS on WHM with gear that any WHM over 70 should be carrying at all times.
BLM - Better than Vermy for idling, not really better or wose than Black Cloak, and Black Cloaks cost like 30k (and look identical). Casting in it would be retarded, although I suppose it'd be a decent space-saver for Stoneskin gear if you could dump Errant and a MND hat. You'll probably get people assuming it's a Black Cloak and calling you a gimp for casting in it, too. Grade: D.
BRD - You mentioned it already, but I'll add my opinion. It's "ok" for BRD. There's several combos that beat it both in CHR and skill, but not everyone has a muffin hat or marduk's princess tiara, so I could see people rationalizing using it. It's a solid /WHM idle piece if you don't have better and don't need the cast speed from manteel. On the other hand, how often is that? I don't know about your BRDs, but I'm BRD/NIN or BRD/BLM 80% of the time anyways, so screw spending points or gil on a fluffed-up Vermy. Grade: B+.

[eva00r]

Thanks for sharing.

So it seems that the only dominant situation for this one is for SCH's Helix/Debuff/Idle. Am I right ?

[Zosi]

Thanks for sharing.

So it seems that the only dominant situation for this one is for SCH's Helix/Debuff/Idle. Am I right ?

Given SCH's utter lack of available gear, it'd probably end up being useful somehow. I don't think for idle though. I'm not a SCH myself, so I don't know the details, but from what I've overheard on LS, the enhanced Sublimation from AF hat blows it out of the water for idle, and you have to keep the hat on to get the effect. I'm not qualified to comment on it's usage for Helixes.

[Dreampainter]

I might be able to use it on sch, but its hard for anything to compete with the enhances dark arts and sublimation enhancement on the AF body and hat. Honestly my pup would get more use out of it than my sch. Could use it for an ice,water,light maneuver overload rate reduction set for when using mage frames. It would also be nice as pup/mage for when you have to role reversal a lot in a kited fight. I really want one and i wish i would have had one we fought that mamool znm >_<

[Plight]

Thanks for sharing.

So it seems that the only dominant situation for this one is for SCH's Helix/Debuff/Idle. Am I right ?

It's about on par with AF head + errant body for helices and significantly inferior for debuffs where you'd want M.Acc/skill.

the enhanced Sublimation from AF hat blows it out of the water for idle

AF hat adds 1 mp/tic at the cost of 1 hp/tic whereas Ixion adds one of each, so it's marginally better than a vermy for idle. I could only justify buying one if it was a cheaper alternative to a vermy.

[Kaeko]

AF hat just adds 1 mp/tick on your Sublimation charge. You get that 1mp/tick just using a Vermy with or without active Sublimation.

I would highly recommend idling in a Vermy over AF1 hat on SCH unless there is some reason you specifically need that Sub to charge faster (for example, you don't need mp refresh, but just need a faster sudden burst of MP... I can't really think of a situation like this). Sadly, I don't even carry SCH AF1 hat in my main inventory anymore.

[Plight]

Sadly, I don't even carry SCH AF1 hat in my main inventory anymore.

Just wondering, but if you don't carry it with you, what would you typically cast helices and tier IVs in?

[Redness]

Anything that removes the head slot and is meant for casting in is usually fail. I can't speak for SCH, though I'd assume it's decent for SCH seeing as they don't get a lot of access right now (gear wise.) Helix/nuking maybe? Af hat+errant body is 14 INT, where as this is 13INT 5 Magic acc, and refresh/regen which is decent at best. Normal SE making shit that's situational and not really better/worse than anything else.

Edit: Seeing as it adds regen, wouldn't this be better than the AF hat for SCH seeing as it would counter act 1hp/tick and add 1/mp tick?

[Kaeko]

Sadly, I don't even carry SCH AF1 hat in my main inventory anymore.

Just wondering, but if you don't carry it with you, what would you typically cast helices and tier IVs in?

I use Yigit Head.

For Tier IVs, the general "rule" you can follow (not exact but ballparks well if you're lazy and don't want to actually calculate) is 2 INT ~= 1 MAB. If you have exactly the same, 1 MAB is better... It's like 5 INT > 2 MAB > 4 INT. Same reason why HQ Errant body > Yigit Body > NQ Errant. So for Tier IV, Yigit head is roughly the same as SCH AF1 hat, but probably just 1-3 damage better.

On Helix, AF1 hat beats out Yigit Head because INT is more heavily emphasized on low base damage magic attacks like Helices. The reason I still use Yigit Head is because of inventory. Yigit Head doubles as Stoneskin setup with 4 MND and a great - enmity piece on cures with -5 enmity, so I already carry Yigit Head regardless of nuke choice for buffing sets. Adding SCH AF1 hat, it would be used solely for Helix nuke (adding maybe 3 damage?). It's not worth 1 inventory slot to up my helix damage by 3.

You wouldn't want to use AF1 hat in standing, again, because Vermy is constant refresh and if you really think about it, is more efficient. 1) you're not losing HP, which is a subtle, but noticable effect if you are a hardcore soloer; 2) even with perfect sublimation usage, you technically get more MP via Cloak because of the 30 second recast timer on Sublimation, so you use ~10 MP every time you get MP back because you need to wait 30 seconds to start new sub.

I personally really want the cloak since it's the same as vermy on standing, but adds another regen tick. With Orochi Nodowa, it offsets the natural -2hp/tick Sub effect, which is useful for long duration solos. Regen is just also generally useful for long solos, so I would actually use cloak on BLM (despite how sucky it looks). This is really nit-picky though. I doubt with the way most players play or focus on, they would care this much about it - certainly not enough to pay in the 7 figures to get one.

EDIT: also, I wouldn't bother with this on anything other than a standing setup. You can get higher #s with a head + body slot combo (really on any job). Unless someone figures out how MACC works, I think you can't take it into account when considering it.

The item carries a novelty for being an HNM drop, but its use is limited to only players looking for a very subtle, specific boost (adding regen to standing set). I cannot personally see this price staying above 1.5-2M in a month or 2 unless your server's resident HNM LS maintains a very good monopoly.

[Tormentormike]

For my BLM this would just mean I can drop Errant body altogether, and would be able to cast stoneskin in this. Inventory would still be the same amount, regen is a nice little bonus...Anything more than 500k and I'd hesitate. I would just pick up an Orochi Nodowa instead, get the regen effect for 300k.

It's really just a convenience piece, seeing as it could fit maybe 2 gear sets for BLM (Standing/Stoneskin) but sucks anywhere else.

[Hoshiku]

I guess this might be interesting for scholar for helix spells, although if they can beat 13 int with a different head and body then it's not useful for sch.

As far as whm, blm, rdm, and brd go I wouldn't be caught dead in ixion cloak. I suppose if it were cheaper than vermy and I didn't need my vermy for rng/whm in campaign I might sell vermy and get ixion cloak, but thanks to its high level and the number of jobs that can't equip it don't think it's really even useful for that.

Don't play SMN but since it hasn't been addressed yet, I was under the impression that INT and MND don't do anything for avatars, whereas yinyang robe still provides the refresh effect and gives worthwhile stats for avatars so I don't think this piece is useful for SMN either.

[Vigilia]

What's a good price range for Ixion's Cloak ? (or the price that you have seen this bazaared in your server)
How much are you willing to pay for this ?
How useful of this item for each job that can equip (except brd blu pup that I already know) ?

If I had to buy one I wouldn't pay more than 2-3mill, it's basically an enhanced Vermillion cloak. Tbh though, I wouldn't buy one and just make do with Vermy (moot point though as I got my own Ixion cloak last week from my LS). I haven't looked for it on bazaars.

It's mainly an idle piece for all jobs if you don't have D.chap+dalm or other combo that would blow it out of the water or available gear like Black Cloak/BLM AF2 body that does the same job but is basically free or dirt cheap.
It's not offensive spell casting gear for any job UNLESS we're talking about the far-fetched and rare occurrance that you're in Salvage and haven't gotten Castellanus cell yet but somehow got Cumulus. It's in my SCH idle set and in the set that casts all random spells like weathers and -nas and I've taken to idling in it on RDM and BRD as well since I don't have Dalm/morri/marduk and having regen and refresh is better than just having refresh from Chapeau. Also, I've started using it for white magic enfeebles on SCH as the light arts enfeebling magic skill bonus comes from the leg piece of AF but it's a bit of a toss up really between Ixion's +5 Macc and +13MND vs. +15MND from Yigit head and Errant body.

[Yuri-G]

Ixion's Cloak looks pretty sweet at first glance but ends up being rather underwhelming, at least from a RDM's point of view. All the pretty stat boosts in the world don't mean shit if you're better off with a body + hat combo, which leaves the cape for idling purposes only. And what benefit does it provide over a Vermy for idling? 1/tic regen. Whee. I'm not saying I'd turn one down, it's much cooler than a Vermy, but it's just a shame that the stats are somewhat wasted because it's a cloak.

[Shuemue]

I'd pay 500k for it, just to idle in on my blm, I like that model.

[Meian]

Crazy ls monopolozing it is trying to sell it for 7-10m ... guess I'll have to wait a while for mine x.x

[aurik]

Sold several at 10m, so there are at least some people willing to pay that much.

[Charismatic]

I'd pay 500k for it, just to idle in on my blm, I like that model.

black cloak?

[potatoninja]

Doesn't seem awful for blu if u dont have morrigan's only other alternative is vermy. Not exactly something that is make or break for ur char though

[SamanosukeShiva]

my LS sold some for 6-8m

damn gotta love that mob <3