Darters no longer have alliance hate?

[Weeks]

Well, due to a misunderstanding between our BLMs and 2 party members being AFK, we just had a rather embarrassing wipe to Darters in Aery. But after killing the 4 of us, they didn't go exact revenge on the AFK people as I'd hoped. Then as Fafnir popped, a shell got Darter aggro but sleep/logged it without an issue. When was this fixed?

[Therin]

Man, that would suck if it was changed.

[malak]

Yeah, watching darters kill an entire alliance of afk people is one of those rare aery treats.

Probably just a fluke though. Don't know why they would change that.

[evilpaul]

Don't you have to be in detection range for them to get party hate on you? Or will they go after somebody standing at the zone line as long as they're in the ally?

[Weeks]

I think they have to be in detection range, but the AFK people in my party definitely were. It's possible that the guy who claimed a Darter on Faf pop was just solo, otherwise I'm sure his party was down in the pit with him too.

[Shuemue]

Ashira is being a bitch and won't tag darters to test it

[Thiefami]

I don't know if this means anything to anyone, but maybe there are glitches? I was in korokolla tunnel as a 75 smn helping with NIN quest for a returning friend and I used elemental siphon near a pugil and it began attacking me lol. Also I was partying and my "foe" filters seem to not apply so I had to unfilter more things (not sure what got it to work) to see the mobs special actions.

[Wizerd]

Don't you have to be in detection range for them to get party hate on you? Or will they go after somebody standing at the zone line as long as they're in the ally?

Yeah you have to be in sneak detection range (typically 6'-10') for Flies. If they were within that range and in party, that's kinda odd.

Is it possible everyone in detection range had Stealth? (NIN10) When I tested this a while back, I couldn't recreate party hate - turned out Stealth might have been what was causing no aggro.

[Amok]

It's funny to me that this topic keeps popping up. I don't believe Darters were ever any different from other flies or other normal mobs of any family. Being in detection range (sight if it's a sight mob and sound if it's a sound mob) when a mob is attacked puts you on the list (I'm not just saying this, I know this cus I've tested it) The reason why it SEEMS like entire alliances wipe/get hate is probably due to a combination of everyone being huddled up together as well as nobody wanting to wait and do nothing to see who (if anyone) survives.

EDIT: How stealth affects detection is actually something I've always wondered about. Someone should test that.........

[drwaffles]

Erm... no? Most mobs do not have instant alliance-based hate upon aggro regardless of actions performed on them - in the vast majority of cases, if someone in your party attracts a mob's attention, via aggro or otherwise, and subsequently dies, the mob will not start chasing other people in your party assuming they performed no action to generate enmity. You obviously didn't test this very thoroughly, either that or you were standing directly in an aggressive mob's line of sight/hearing range after your friend died which caused the mob to aggro you naturally afterwards.

[Amok]

Well, I guess since I can't post the videos I have because I'm not at home I won't be able to give you the proof. The old spot I uploaded them to has removed them. Anywho, if you're interested, read through this old thread where I posted my testing results:
http://bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54056

I tested it several times because someone else disputed it as well and I kept getting the same results. Someone also said lizards and mandies would act differently and they didn't.

In the enmity testing thread there was a recent post of mine on a related topic. Normal aggro of a normal mob (not poppable or battlefield related) won't have aggro on anyone else than the initial target. ACTING on a normal mob however is different, any PT member in detectable range WILL be put on the hate list. Logging out or zoning WILL send it after the other pt members. Also, /heal aggro is not normal aggro, it's like attacking/acting on the mob.

[Kayos]

It's funny to me that this topic keeps popping up. I don't believe Darters were ever any different from other flies or other normal mobs of any family. Being in detection range (sight if it's a sight mob and sound if it's a sound mob) when a mob is attacked puts you on the list (I'm not just saying this, I know this cus I've tested it) The reason why it SEEMS like entire alliances wipe/get hate is probably due to a combination of everyone being huddled up together as well as nobody wanting to wait and do nothing to see who (if anyone) survives.

EDIT: How stealth affects detection is actually something I've always wondered about. Someone should test that.........

No.

Darters were always different. My 500+ camps in aery can attest to this. (Thank god I havent been back in 8 months).

[ringthree]

I don't know if this means anything to anyone, but maybe there are glitches? I was in korokolla tunnel as a 75 smn helping with NIN quest for a returning friend and I used elemental siphon near a pugil and it began attacking me lol. Also I was partying and my "foe" filters seem to not apply so I had to unfilter more things (not sure what got it to work) to see the mobs special actions.

The latter issue has to do with the target of the special action, so to know everything a mob is doing (assuming you are in a party) you will need special actions on self, party and foe all unfiltered.

[Amok]

No.

Darters were always different. My 500+ camps in aery can attest to this. (Thank god I havent been back in 8 months).

And now we'll never know, cus even if I went out there tested and I happened to be right, then everyone would say the OP was right and they DID ninja-fix it (as opposed to it always being that way). So ultimately, there's not point in discussing it really.

[Ashira]

In the enmity testing thread there was a recent post of mine on a related topic. Normal aggro of a normal mob (not poppable or battlefield related) won't have aggro on anyone else than the initial target. ACTING on a normal mob however is different, any PT member in detectable range WILL be put on the hate list. Logging out or zoning WILL send it after the other pt members. Also, /heal aggro is not normal aggro, it's like attacking/acting on the mob.

That's hardly a new thing, people use that aggro-free curing ability in a number of things, and it's not limited to normal mobs. I remember using it in the Ultima mission, with the Mammets on the ship - kiter runs in, gets aggro and runs around without using any abilities on anything, and Mammets are pulled off one by one, and kiter can be cured nonstop with no hate on the mage.

Friend used it for parrying skillup as well. Go to Monastic, get aggro on a RNG and 2 MNK orcs, stay engaged on the RNG so you never hit it cuz it's too far away, and just take hits from the MNKs for parries - and mage can cure nonstop worry free. /shrug

Darters have alliance hate, in some manner, whether or not it has anything to do with their range around I don't know. I remember when we had a JP member join our shell who didn't know they had linked party hate, and he Mijin Gakured while in alliance to leave the camp when he was going to sign off, and ended up killing nearly all of us since I think I was one of 2 not afk at the time.

[Wizerd]

No.

Darters were always different. My 500+ camps in aery can attest to this. (Thank god I havent been back in 8 months).

Ignorance is bliss.

Darters are no different than any other monster; never have, never will be. I could make a diagram of how people are usually set up in aery for maximum claim chance and the web effect that kills your alliance when someone aggros a darter by acting on it, but I'm not sure you'd grasp the concept.

[Kayos]

Ignorance is bliss.

Darters are no different than any other monster; never have, never will be. I could make a diagram of how people are usually set up in aery for maximum claim chance and the web effect that kills your alliance when someone aggros a darter by acting on it, but I'm not sure you'd grasp the concept.

Try me.

I don't pretend to know all the mechanics of ffxi, but if I do an action outside of DA on a darter, I have never seen them go after another person in my party or alliance regardless of previous actions.

Please share your wisdom since you grasp concepts that others can't.

[Shojin]

Darters have alliance hate, in some manner, whether or not it has anything to do with their range around I don't know. I remember when we had a JP member join our shell who didn't know they had linked party hate, and he Mijin Gakured while in alliance to leave the camp when he was going to sign off, and ended up killing nearly all of us since I think I was one of 2 not afk at the time.

Yeah. I too have witnessed a member of other linkshells misfire while everyone is AFK in between windows on a Darter. Linked with other darters, then maul that member in to the ground, then start to whack on AFK people around him in his alliance.

If they changed this I would be a little suprised, and slightly saddened. But it should be easy enough to test.

[Tubbers]

Try me.

I don't pretend to know all the mechanics of ffxi, but if I do an action outside of DA on a darter, I have never seen them go after another person in my party or alliance regardless of previous actions.

Please share your wisdom since you grasp concepts that others can't.

I've had NINs Mijin the flies in Zhayolm at the Eruca camps, only to have them immdeitaly run at us afterwards. The same shit also happens with bunnies in the tree. Darters are not unique.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Are you people being serious right now?

You likely just had someone in your party resting at the time. Normal monsters do not have alliance-hate, Darters do.