NM and HNM Magic resist-over-time

[Xanthu]

I think around Group II merits the mechanic of NMs building magic resistance to prevent manaburning was implimented. BLMs shat themselves and rued having to level melee jobs. Wafik cried at the thought of losing manaburn.

Patch hit and most people said "lolwut nerf"

I think testing was done on it after? What is required to overcome the built-up resistance? I've always thought melee damage but now I've heard it's using alternating elements, like ice then thunder. Or is it just outright time?

[Shuemue]

I don't have evidence, but it seemed like time based mainly to me.

[Drex]

I really have never noticed it, even not switching elements. I've heard the "nuke with stone 1 so you can use thunder" thing but most of the time it's really hard to judge because it's something that resists a lot anyway.

I did hear that some group tried to manaburn DM after the update and noticed that the last few agas did noticeably less than the first ones, but never saw any SS or parse or anything to confirm/deny.

In any case, lolupdate

[Omniyoji]

An accumulative magic resistance effect has been implemented for monsters that /check as "impossible to gauge."

Affected Magic Types
The following magic types will trigger the accumulative magic resistance effect when used repeatedly on monsters whose strength is "impossible to gauge":
Black magic (elemental)
White magic (divine)
Ninjutsu
Magical Blood Pact abilities
Magical blue magic
Magical weapon skills (Spirits Within, Red Lotus, etc.)
Certain job abilities (Chi Blast, Mijin Gakure, etc.)

Resistance Fluctuation
When a monster with accumulative magic resistance is hit by a magic attack, the amount of damage it receives will decrease in accordance with that monster's resistance. At the same time, its resistance will increase.

The monster's resistance will increase in accordance with the amount of damage incurred, but each monster has a maximum resistance level.

I don't think it's elemental, just magic in general (list above) and it appears to be time. The word on the street is, BLMs who wouldn't space out their nukes with other BLMs would receive notable resists. Reason why some BLM try to land their MB first before the next.

I haven't done anything manaburn style on NMs after that day, so I don't know much about the resists. It appears parties w/ low BLM #s probably won't see much...

[Suiram]

It's definitely is not element-specific. It also doesn't last very long. The element specific part (if it wasn't clear from the update notes someone just posted, or from casual experience) should be clear from situations like manaburn Red vs. Blue, or any other BC where you open with a timed nuke or are casting a lot of spells in quick succession. Even if my RvB buddy casts one element and I vary the element I use, I still get reduced damage due to the cumulative damage nerf since mine lands a half-second after his. I've always meant to determine exactly the maximum/minimums it can take, as well as what form it is (dmg*0.X, dmg/1.X, dmg*X/256, or what have you), and what step of the damage calculation it occurs, but I haven't gotten around to it.

[Shuemue]

To give an example of why it's not worth worrying about, Manaburn LS were still able to take down Dynamis Lord after it'd been implemented.

[Xanthu]

To give an example of why it's not worth worrying about, Manaburn LS were still able to take down Dynamis Lord after it'd been implemented.

This is what I thought. The only problems we even had was the WHM NM because of benediction.

[Spekkio]

it's very megar. look at any rdm chainspell nuking the fire in the sky ENM. your last nuke will do just as much as your first. you need an exorbitant chunk of damage in a very very small window to produce a noticeable effect from my experience.

[Kerberoz]

It's just annoying as fuck. Does nothing to prevent manaburns, just makes the gimp who lands their nuke .1 sec faster on an NM do more damage.

The resistance wears off so fast that it's impossible to notice solo, unless you're spamming tier 1s.

[cdgreg]

It's just annoying as fuck. Does nothing to prevent manaburns, just makes the gimp who lands their nuke .1 sec faster on an NM do more damage.

The resistance wears off so fast that it's impossible to notice solo, unless you're spamming tier 1s.

This. Only time you really see it is when you do a big group nuke on an impossible to gauge mob(s). Prime example is doing ODS, or being in the JOL smn pt. You can have the greatest gear in the game, and some gimpo next to you nuked first thus his -ga hit for 950 each, while yours did 650. If that's not bad enough, this type if player usually also doesn't understand the mentioned patch, and says something along the lines of "Wow, see how much higher my dmg is?" or "Man, I guess having all that expensive gear really doesn't make much of a difference lol."

But more on topic, within 10 seconds of calling the next nuke time, the first nuke is back to full dmg. Soo, ya it hasn't really gimped manaburning much.

[Toth]

^ Basically it. All it has done is make BLM damage fluctuate rapidly and pretty much kill our damage in TP burns, since all the stun spamming and JAs render our spells even weaker. It's time for this to go. RMT is no longer an issue now with manaburns.

[Suiram]

I don't think stun spamming or (non-damaging) JAs affect it. It seems to be a function of total magic damage dealt that then decays quickly over time. Think of it like VE in the enmity stuff, but decaying faster and only affected by magic damage.

[Toth]

Yeah, it most likely uses the same programming as Fan Dance, only opposite (starts at % and increases with each magic spell).

[Delayed]

It's annoying when you're trying to MB and the NQ gimp blm who leveled it just to have blm done hits first. but it doesn't last very long cause you can nuke right after it lands if no one else is hitting and usually by the time a second tier4 or am2 hits it has worn off

[evilpaul]

It's annoying when you're trying to MB and the NQ gimp blm who leveled it just to have blm done hits first. but it doesn't last very long cause you can nuke right after it lands if no one else is hitting and usually by the time a second tier4 or am2 hits it has worn off

If you don't suck you'll probably still do more damage than the newbie gimp BLM.