Crit Hit setup for WAR (TP+WS)

[Quetz_Jamal]

Let me preface this by saying, the Kote may not end up being mine.

With that being said, I've been working on a CRIT hit setup for dual wield (although it easily could be applied to 2-hand as well).

The goal of this set is to be able to eat meat to make up for the lack of attack+ pieces having been replaced with DEX+

TP:
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...009_112935.png
WS:
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...009_112952.png

While the goal on TP to hit 125 DEX seems a little out of reach due to elvaaness, I've easily hit it on ws. I still am above the first crit hit tier on tp however, which with only the loss of 3% haste allows me to not give up too too much on tp, and only give up on a little strength on ws.

I know Askar head would be a good addition to tp, looking for other suggestions or if anyone else has tried. I've parsed Organics vs. Hanger before and Hanger was about 3% higher (although only 1 hour each)...but with this set it may take a jump up with the additional crits.

Thanks :D

[Starr]

Sorry, what's the purpose of this thread?

Get Ancient Torque, use a Thunder Ring.

[Quetz_Jamal]

Sorry, what's the purpose of this thread?

This:

Get Ancient Torque, use a Thunder Ring.

Thanks

[Tordall]

And the +4 str +4 dex +5 acc mantle from Splitting Heirs.

[Xanthe]

And replace Perdu Hanger with Organics.

[edit] Missed the last line where you parsed vs that. My bad.

[Drunkenmonk]

get a joyeuse, sword/sword on coli seems pretty worthless without it, might as well mainhand an axe.

[Fwahm]

Has it ever been proven that DEX helps with critical hits on weapon skills that crit? I was under the impression that they have a fixed critical hit rate based on the weapon skill in question and how much TP you have.

[algrensan]

there's iota ring too if you do einherjar.

[malak]

Has it ever been proven that DEX helps with critical hits on weapon skills that crit? I was under the impression that they have a fixed critical hit rate based on the weapon skill in question and how much TP you have.

Ehhh? Would like some confirmation on this.

[Baelorn]

Has it ever been proven that DEX helps with critical hits on weapon skills that crit? I was under the impression that they have a fixed critical hit rate based on the weapon skill in question and how much TP you have.

I've always wondered this too..."Varies with TP" seems pretty straightforward. "Varies with TP, crit tier and dex" not so much.

[Quetz_Jamal]

Guess I just assumed. Just did a party on Mamools with HH pie...and tp return on ws was pretty weak. Eyeballing it (I know >.>) I was missing at least 1 hit on Vorpal. Didn't parse it, but will in the near future.

I've got a joyeuse, but not a fan of main-hand Ridill...or bird parties in general for that matter.

Thanks for the advice.

[Gustave]

Does Askar hands fit into the picture anywhere?

[Phraust]

Base: 66

Askar head: 4
Askar Hands: 5
Adaman Hauberk: 10
Rajas Ring: 5
Byakko's Haidate: 15
Aurum Sabotons: 3

That base gets you +39 Dex. Bringing total up to 105

Ridill, you could swap out your Brutal for a Pixie: +42 and a total of 108.

Ancient Torque gets you 4 more Dex: +46 totalling 112.
Cuchulain's mantle gets you another 4 Dex: +50 for a 116 total.

Changing out Askar Hands for Hachiryu gets you to 121 total, still 4 under.

The obvious answer is to not be Elvaan.

[Kurt Cobain]

ryko and I used roast pipira to get 50 over before the /SAM craze, it ended up not being worth it for anything besides birds (AGI66 iirc), don't waste your time, merit GA, sub SAM and get a perdu voulge. if you insist on that garbage at least offhand a joyeuse and do it at birds.

[underscore]

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1...4610yu7.th.jpghttp://img530.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif
Ideal build now would probably be askar head+hands, adaberk, byakko, aurumn feet and stack dex in other slots to keep haste at 19% with speed belt or 17% with swift.
I messed around with the build before the patch and haven't upgraded since so I'm missing the 4dex cape and aurumn feet. I found the results lacking, especially in merit pts. Maybe it'd work if I was a mithra with dex merits because I wouldn't have to drop so much haste, but for me going from 25>21 to reach 50over wasn't worth it for bravura or rid/joy. I never tried dual axes because I didn't want to merit it to try(I already have 8gaxe 8sword). The build might be worth it for people with 20-22 haste because they'd only be dropping down to 19 haste, but it's a lot of work for little to no gain.

edit: Oh and for me the dex from gear isn't enough by itself to warrant using meat when dual wielding swords(would still need madrigal).

[Quetz_Jamal]

Base: 66

Askar head: 4
Askar Hands: 5
Adaman Hauberk: 10
Rajas Ring: 5
Byakko's Haidate: 15
Aurum Sabotons: 3

That base gets you +39 Dex. Bringing total up to 105

Ridill, you could swap out your Brutal for a Pixie: +42 and a total of 108.

Ancient Torque gets you 4 more Dex: +46 totalling 112.
Cuchulain's mantle gets you another 4 Dex: +50 for a 116 total.

Changing out Askar Hands for Hachiryu gets you to 121 total, still 4 under.

The obvious answer is to not be Elvaan.

With that gear + Sushi you hit 126...but that's a lot of changes to a pretty powerful set already.

Think I'm going to agree with your last statement, lol.

[Phraust]

oh Duh, I totally forgot Iota Ring. 3 dex, 3vit, 3 Agi, 3 acc. All you'd need is 1 dex.

[Redshift]

What kind of crit% did you parse with that set up at mamool camps, underscore? Maybe Brave Grip would have made it worth while.

[Loziel]

Has it ever been proven that DEX helps with critical hits on weapon skills that crit? I was under the impression that they have a fixed critical hit rate based on the weapon skill in question and how much TP you have.

This needs some testing or at least someone to post a link or something, seems to important an issue to let go by the wayside. It would certainly change a few peoples setups if true.

[Valyana]

Nagamaki's testing was pretty conclusive that yes, crit WS have a crit rate of your normal crit rate plus some amount based on TP and the particular WS.