HQ with sub craft question

[sixstitches]

I was going to keep it general but I think it's better to go right in with specifics. we are making

iron bullets: alchem45/smithing22

Lets take 2 different players

John has: 100alchem/60smith
Joe has: 76alchem/60smith

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I read two different theories so far

theory 1: John and Joe is both in tier 2, they both have equal chances of HQ

theory 2: John has 1/2x1/4 chances of HQ, Joe has 1/4*1/4 changes of HQ

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Which theory is right? Does Joe gain anything from lvling alchem higher to 96 for this synth?

[nitsuj]

I'd actually like to know how we discovered these tiers... I've yet to figure it out.

I can't help but want to think that someone with 100+3 will do better on a level 99 synth than someone with 99 + 0. But according to the tier theory, they won't.

Where/how was this data found?

[Sifer]

some ala poster claimed to have done tests in 2004 or 2005. im skeptical about all crafting theories myself, idc what ppl claim to have tested.

[nitsuj]

some ala poster claimed to have done tests in 2004 or 2005. im skeptical about all crafting theories myself, idc what ppl claim to have tested.

I can't help but think 100 + 3 + 3 + moglification + overwhelming dark energy will help me with cursed mail -1 attempts, so I'm going to wait.

I'll face the right direction on the right day, too

[sixstitches]

I am not sure what you are asking me. I thought i was the one asking the question. lol Data found...? I am not stating any data... i am asking a question. Or do you mean how did I come up with these 2 theories?

first theory is well known, right? ur 31 above a cap, ur in tier 2. ur sub craft is governing overall HQ rate, because it's smallest over cap.

second theory i see someone posting on this forum, i would have to look where, but they stated that a chance of HQ is 1/2*1/4. main*sub.

if one can state 1/2*1/4 to exist, then one must be able to incur that 1/4*1/4 also exist.

if i find that statement i will post it.

[nitsuj]

I am not sure what you are asking me. I thought i was the one asking the question. lol Data found...? I am not stating any data... i am asking a question. Or do you mean how did I come up with these 2 theories?

first theory is well known, right? ur 31 above a cap, ur in tier 2. ur sub craft is governing overall HQ rate, because it's smallest over cap.

second theory i see someone posting on this forum, i would have to look where, but they stated that a chance of HQ is 1/2*1/4. main*sub.

if one can state 1/2*1/4 to exist, then one must be able to incur that 1/4*1/4 also exist.

if i find that statement i will post it.

I understand your question, but you're asking about two different theories and I was just trying to see if anyone know where the proof behind these theories are, because like the two examples you posted, the two people crafting my level 99 example would be in the same tier, which doesn't seem right.

[sixstitches]

I see, ur just asking addisional questions. I can definately say that 51 over cap produces another tier, I am a firm believer in this one. this part i can put to rest. anyway.

I track 100s of synthesis on a spreadsheet. I make a living selling bolts, so I do 200+ synth in a batch. What I notice is that it yields about %60 more. bolts are lvl16 WW. I am lvl 79. I get anywhere from .58 - .60 in extra yield. Meaning if I was setup to make 100 quivers, I usually end up with 160 quivers.

Now, If I turn to do Shihei lvl 29, I go for advance support, which puts me to 82, what I notice over 100s of syns... my yield is around 1.50

for bolts i am 60+ over cap.
for shihei i am 50+ with support.

time and time again my spreadsheet say .60 for bolts and .50 for shihei.

if there are no other tiers than 50%, shouldn't the yield be about same for 50+ and 60+?


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getting sided tracked. basic questions remain... does the two crafter yield same %?

[Seshat]

I'm more curious about whether or not having the subcraft higher afects the chances of an HQ. If my WW is 60 and Bonecraft is only 8.. what is the chance I have at HQing a Power Bow, or will it even HQ at all because the subcraft is just above the correct level?

Power Bow: Woodworking28 Bonecraft7

[cdgreg]

Has this topic really gone this far? Read the sticky, the HQ rate is the lowest tier based on whatever craft/subcraft unless I missed something.

For multicraft items, the HQ rate is based on the lowest gap between enhanced skill and recipe cap. That is, if you have a multicraft item where you are T1 on 2 craftskills and T0 on the 3rd, the entire item will have a T0 HQ rate.

T0 rate seems to be somewhere between 1 and 3%. Some people predict 1/64.
T1 rate seems to be somewhere between 5 and 10%. Some people predict 1/16
T2 rate is about 25%. (1/4)
T3 rate is about 50%. (1/2)

[sixstitches]

so basically they both are in T2, and no such thing as 1/2*1/4

[Rilu]

Has this topic really gone this far? Read the sticky, the HQ rate is the lowest tier based on whatever craft/subcraft unless I missed something.

Unless you are synthing Siren's Macrame - in which case you will get HQ animation 7/10 times, but you don't gain any yield due to it. Wish I had that same luck with Prism Capes

[BerenTebogo]

The sticky is called "Read before you ask any stupid crafting questions" and this is a stupid crafting questions.

Clearly you've failed. Stop sucking.