Neuvo Coselete & Healing Breath

[Tomiko]

Cross posted on KI.

In the name of science:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...inCoselete.jpg

Gear used in both tests:

Drachen Armet+1
Ethereal Earring
Cassie Earring
Pallas Bracelets
Bomb Queen Ring
Skirmisher's Ring
Homam Cosciacles
Marine F Boots
Gigant Mantle


With just the above:
Healing Breath with 0% TP cured me for 216.


With Neuvo Corselete:
Healing Breath with 0% TP cured me for 216.

Only did 1 of each since more wouldn't be necessary given how Healing Breath works.

Thus, I can confirm that "Pet: Magic Accuracy+7/Magic Attack Bonus+7" has NO EFFECT on Healing Breath.

I was curious about this as well and didn't really know which body to pick so I decided to test it. I'll likely toss and redo it since I'm going to help friends anyways.

[Yugl]

Should have just asked me about it before wasting the body piece. HB is strictly affected by HB enhancing gear and the Wyvern's total HP. Wyvern's breath attack is affected by the wyvern's current HP.

[Tomiko]

Should have just asked me about it before wasting the body piece. HB is strictly affected by HB enhancing gear and the Wyvern's total HP. Wyvern's breath attack is affected by the wyvern's current HP.

Yeah, but Deep Breathing gives the Wyvern "Magic Attack" which was why I was curious.

[Yugl]

Yeah, but Deep Breathing gives the Wyvern "Magic Attack" which was why I was curious.

Not posting this to be offensive, just to point out the difference. Magic ATT and Magic ATT Bonus act in different ways. Magic ATT Bonus will not affect breath attacks or static damage spells (Mostly known from BLU spells such as Heat Breath or 100 Needles). Magic ATT however, will affect the damage. So if SE releases an item that grants Magic ATT to the pet, it may affect Wyvern breath damage.

[Tomiko]

I don't really know much about Blu, so that info is helpful. Thanks.

[Sqwunk]

You could have just asked a Corsair to give you Drachen Roll, which gives Pet: Macc and MAB, and you would have realized that MAB has no effect on wyverns, sadly though, but even if it did effect it, i think that +65 HP would be better than 7 MAB

[fantasticdan]

Not posting this to be offensive, just to point out the difference. Magic ATT and Magic ATT Bonus act in different ways. Magic ATT Bonus will not affect breath attacks or static damage spells (Mostly known from BLU spells such as Heat Breath or 100 Needles). Magic ATT however, will affect the damage. So if SE releases an item that grants Magic ATT to the pet, it may affect Wyvern breath damage.

"Magic ATT" outside of MAB doesn't exist. Convergence and deep breathing both just add flat multipliers, and their descriptions are poorly worded. If you'd bother to look, you'd realize no magic damage related job abilities/traits say MAB in their description at all, they all just say "magic attack" exactly like deep breathing or convergence, including MAB trait itself, wizard's roll, drachen roll (which doesn't affect wyvern either), etc.

[Yugl]

"Magic ATT" outside of MAB doesn't exist. Convergence and deep breathing both just add flat multipliers, and their descriptions are poorly worded. If you'd bother to look, you'd realize no magic damage related job abilities/traits say MAB in their description at all, they all just say "magic attack" exactly like deep breathing or convergence, including MAB trait itself, wizard's roll, drachen roll (which doesn't affect wyvern either), etc.

What the hell are you arguing about?

Magic Attack - FFXIclopedia - a Wikia Gaming wiki

Edit: If you can show me a piece of gear that uses the term Magic ATT instead of MAB, yet is actually MAB, then your point is valid. However, in any case where it has been explicitly stated as "Magic Attack Bonus", it has always been MAB. For spell descriptions you may be correct, but to use such logic in this case is faulty on two basis:

1. This is gear and not an ability
2. Magic ATT in descriptions of spells/abilities can turn out to be MAB, but I have never witnessed a case where MAB translated into Magic ATT.

[fantasticdan]

Someone made a (pointless) wiki page based on the bad wording of the convergence ability? What is your point?

[Yugl]

Someone made a (pointless) wiki page based on the bad wording of the convergence ability? What is your point?

MAB isn't Magic ATT. Magic ATT affects Breath Attacks and 1000 needles where as MAB doesn't. If you stack on MAB for Breath Spells, you're wasting slots because it won't affect your damage. If you use Magic ATT, it will affect your damage.

[fantasticdan]

MAB isn't Magic ATT. Magic ATT affects Breath Attacks and 1000 needles where as MAB doesn't. If you stack on MAB for Breath Spells, you're wasting slots because it won't affect your damage. If you use Magic ATT, it will affect your damage.

No shit MAB doesn't effect breath spells, but "magic attack" and "magic attack bonus" are the same thing, try actually looking at some in-game descriptions of job abilities/traits and spells.

Wizard's roll - "Enhances magic attack for party members within area of effect."
Drachen roll - "Enhances pet magic attack and magic accuracy for party members within area of effect."
Memento mori - "Enhances magic attack."
Dream shroud - "Diabolos enhances magic attack and magic defense of party members within area of effect."

You noticing a trend yet? All of those abilities just say "magic attack" in the description, yet are MAB. They are the same thing. Convergence and deep breathing buffs descriptions also say "magic attack", yet they are entirely different, and simply add their own multipliers. Trying to label convergence and deep breathing as "magic attack" aside from everything else makes no sense, they are just badly worded.

[Ultimagi]

If Drachen Roll is enhanced by having a Dragoon in the party, and seems to be specifically for enhancing Wyvern Breaths, why doesn't it?

[Starr]

So dumb to assume it would, jeez

[fantasticdan]

If Drachen Roll is enhanced by having a Dragoon in the party, and seems to be specifically for enhancing Wyvern Breaths, why doesn't it?

Spoiler: show

SE is retarded.

[Yugl]

No shit MAB doesn't effect breath spells, but "magic attack" and "magic attack bonus" are the same thing, try actually looking at some in-game descriptions of job abilities/traits and spells.

Wizard's roll - "Enhances magic attack for party members within area of effect."
Drachen roll - "Enhances pet magic attack and magic accuracy for party members within area of effect."
Memento mori - "Enhances magic attack."
Dream shroud - "Diabolos enhances magic attack and magic defense of party members within area of effect."

You noticing a trend yet? All of those abilities just say "magic attack" in the description, yet are MAB. They are the same thing. Convergence and deep breathing buffs descriptions also say "magic attack", yet they are entirely different, and simply add their own multipliers. Trying to label convergence and deep breathing as "magic attack" aside from everything else makes no sense, they are just badly worded.

You're stupid. The piece says Pet: MAB+ and MAB does not affect Breath attacks. That's all I pointed out. Here you come along bitching about how magic attack and MAB are the same because previous abilities used magic attack as an abbreviation for MAB. Guess what? That isn't the case here. It says MAB not Magic ATT. Therefore, my point still stands and you're a moron.

If you plan on learning from your mistake, remember this: When someone refers to magic ATT, they mean the straight up DMG boost that *DOES* affect Breath Attacks and 1000 needles. If someone uses MAB, they're referring to a multiplier that doesn't affect Breath Attacks and 1000 Needles. See the difference? Arguing about semantics when my point is still valid regardless of how you view the situation is ridiculous and a waste of time. I suggest you find better things to do.

Either way, the point is that the OP's experiment would only be necessary if the description said Magic ATT since it's ambiguous as to whether that refers to Magic ATT or MAB. Never have I seen a case in which MAB referred to Magic ATT. If you can point out such a case in which gear labeled MAB meant Magic ATT, then you would have a point. Otherwise, don't bother replying.

Edit: In order to reinforce my point, I'll reply to a previous post of yours.

"Magic ATT" outside of MAB doesn't exist. Convergence and deep breathing both just add flat multipliers, and their descriptions are poorly worded. If you'd bother to look, you'd realize no magic damage related job abilities/traits say MAB in their description at all, they all just say "magic attack" exactly like deep breathing or convergence, including MAB trait itself, wizard's roll, drachen roll (which doesn't affect wyvern either), etc.

The bold is the reason it doesn't apply in this context. After all, we're talking about gear not ability descriptions.

[fantasticdan]

You're stupid. The piece says Pet: MAB+ and MAB does not affect Breath attacks. That's all I pointed out.

No, you said this:

Not posting this to be offensive, just to point out the difference. Magic ATT and Magic ATT Bonus act in different ways. Magic ATT Bonus will not affect breath attacks or static damage spells (Mostly known from BLU spells such as Heat Breath or 100 Needles). Magic ATT however, will affect the damage. So if SE releases an item that grants Magic ATT to the pet, it may affect Wyvern breath damage.

As if magic ATT was it's own unique stat, which it isn't. I was just calling out your bullshit so you don't end up confusing people.

If you plan on learning from your mistake, remember this: When someone refers to magic ATT, they mean the straight up DMG boost that *DOES* affect Breath Attacks and 1000 needles. If someone uses MAB, they're referring to a multiplier that doesn't affect Breath Attacks and 1000 Needles.

Since when? If someone is talking about convergence or deep breathing, they just say convergence or deep breathing. The only people who refer to these abilities as a unique "magic ATT" stat are you and the guy that made that wiki page(zeosilot, whoever that is).

Never have I seen a case in which MAB referred to Magic ATT. If you can point out such a case in which gear labeled MAB meant Magic ATT, then you would have a point. Otherwise, don't bother replying

Wow, you've never seen MAB on gear refer to changing specific spell modifiers? How surprising. I've never seen "magic ATT" refer to that on gear either, don't bother replying unless you can point out a case of such gear. When a piece of gear has a multiplier bonus like that, it's labeled as "enhances breath attacks" or such.

The bold is the reason it doesn't apply in this context. After all, we're talking about gear not ability descriptions.

Except you're the one who brought up convergence and your "magic ATT" stat in this thread, which doesn't exist on gear. It

[eva00r]

Whatever but I can confirm that "Pet: Magic Accuracy+7" will enhance your wyvern's offensive breath accuracy, just like BLU's breathing spell does.

It's not a garbage after all.

[Yugl]

As if magic ATT was it's own unique stat, which it isn't. I was just calling out your bullshit so you don't end up confusing people.

Magic ATT is its own unique stat. The fact that you consider MAB to equal Magic ATT is wrong. They are two separate entities, and I already mentioned the difference between them. In fact, I even pointed out the difference in the quote you posted. So lets get this straight:

I post that there are two entities: Magic ATT and MAB then differentiate them. In my differentiation of the two, I point out that MAB will not affect breath spells.

You post that I'm wrong because Magic ATT = MAB. In addition, you point out that JA/Spells/Trait descriptions truncate MAB to Magic Attack.

I remind you that by saying Magic ATT, I'm referring to direct damage boosts provided by stuff such as Convergence. Furthermore, I point out that we're talking about gear, which does not truncate MAB. Since it does not truncate MAB, it is clear that it's MAB. MAB does not affect Breath Attacks. Magic ATT in the sense that BLUs would use it, does affect Breath Spells. Hence, the body piece would need to state Pet: Magic ATT+ in order for there to be ambiguity as to whether it affects Breath Attacks.

Since when? If someone is talking about convergence or deep breathing, they just say convergence or deep breathing. The only people who refer to these abilities as a unique "magic ATT" stat are you and the guy that made that wiki page(zeosilot, whoever that is).

Specifically with respect to Convergence, many BLUs refer to the boost as Magic ATT. I thought it would be common knowledge by now, but I guess we have people like you around.

Wow, you've never seen MAB on gear refer to changing specific spell modifiers? How surprising. I've never seen "magic ATT" refer to that on gear either, don't bother replying unless you can point out a case of such gear. When a piece of gear has a multiplier bonus like that, it's labeled as "enhances breath attacks" or such.

So what you're saying is you're an idiot and basically made an attack on me only to prove my point? Troll much? Lets face it, unless you can prove that MAB in some way affects breath attacks, you're starting a semantics battle. If you want to continue with such nonsense then go ahead. I however, won't be playing with you.

Except you're the one who brought up convergence and your "magic ATT" stat in this thread, which doesn't exist on gear.

It doesn't exist on gear, but that doesn't mean the concept can't exist. The whole point of my second post was to distinguish between the idea of Magic ATT and MAB. Obviously, you decided to ignore that portion and get on with your childish flames. Again, tests regarding this new piece are unnecessary because even if Magic ATT has previously referred to MAB, MAB has never referred to Magic ATT. My point is clear and you can play your semantics argument alone. If you have anything to fight about unrelated to semantics, then continue it in PMs. Otherwise, you can keep playing solitaire.

Edit: That is correct Evaoors, Magic ACC does affect Breath Spells/Attacks.

[Suiram]

If I'm correctly reading fantasticdan as saying "'Magic Attack Bonus' is a specific stat, while 'Magic ATT' is a vague descriptor that could mean any variety of things including but not limited to an increase in base damage for magic, a multiplier on base damage, a multiplier at some other stage, or an increase in the MAB multiplier itself," then I'm inclined to agree with him completely.

"Magic Attack Bonus" refers that specfic multiplier that occurs at a specific stage in magic damage calculation, which comes in various amounts as a native job trait for BLM, RDM, and BLU, and which can be increased by certain merits and pieces of armor. "Magic Attack" refers generally to anything that increases magic damage, but is not in itself a specific bonus. Unless you are defining "Magic Attack" to be specifically the bonus from Convergence, and any other bonus that operates on base damage the same way (of which there are no others in FFXI at this time), but then you are correct only because you have set it up to be that way, but it's a way that is only suited for winning this argument, and doesn't really capture the common usage of the term.

[Yugl]

If I'm correctly reading fantasticdan as saying "'Magic Attack Bonus' is a specific stat, while 'Magic ATT' is a vague descriptor that could mean any variety of things including but not limited to an increase in base damage for magic, a multiplier on base damage, a multiplier at some other stage, or an increase in the MAB multiplier itself," then I'm inclined to agree with him completely.

Other way around. He says Magic ATT = MAB.

Unless you are defining "Magic Attack" to be specifically the bonus from Convergence, and any other bonus that operates on base damage the same way (of which there are no others in FFXI at this time), but then you are correct only because you have set it up to be that way, but it's a way that is only suited for winning this argument, and doesn't really capture the common usage of the term.

This is my definition of Magic ATT. Deep breathing works in a similar way to Convergence as it does increase Breath Attack damage.