Faust help

[DantesTheBannedPLD]

Hello, guys i'm fairly new to RDM/NIN soloing, and i've been trying to solo sky stuff for my linkshell which does sky like every tuesday or so...

So far i've solo'd SC/Zip/Despot. Havent tried ulli yet, and been trying faust since yesterday... 3 attempts...... No succes..... The first time i took him to 22% and got resisted on gravity and typhoon raped all my shadows then, it double attack me took my SS off and typhoon X2 and i got ended.... Aside from sky things the only thing i've solo'd its Amikiri

I was wondering if anyone could give me any pointers on this... I have everything capped on rdm.

Here are the gear set's i use.

Idle/Kiteset

BindSet
I use this same set to gravity - the staves, i use HQ wind stave and wind grip for gravity.

NukingSet

If i get any resist's i equip elemental torque, but havent happened to me. yet.

BioSet For Poison II i use Neptunes stave and morrigan cuffs is the only thing that changes...


Now i'll explain how i've been trying the fight etc...

I pull it with powder boots at start, i Gravity, Bio/Poison II it, then bind it.. I get shadows and fresh SS up, I wait for my bind timer to be like @ 10 seconds then i do Thunder III for about 670-720 dmg, i bind it again, and repeat, but it comes to a point that bind starts wearing off when my timer is at like 15 seconds so i have to gravity it, nuke, bind it... But when it comes around 30% it starts resisting gravity even tho i've only casted it like 3 times or so... And bind always land but it wears off when my timer is still not ready.. and i get ended..

If there's anything im doing wrong let me know.. I'm pretty sure more than grammar is wrong in that 'WALL OF TEXT'. Excuse my crappy english, it isn't my main language.

[Jurgen]

Faust is just hard no doubt about it. I died about 10 times before I finally ended up winning, and even now I still lose every couple of attempts.

Standing set looks good. Only thing you're missing would be Jelly Ring (every little bit helps on Faust).

I'm going to assume you have maxed enfeebling merits. So your bind gear puts you at 276 + 16 (Merits) + 25 (Gear) = 317. Your INT is 73 + 31? Do you have INT merits? If not those would certainly help. To be honest, with Faust the two most important sets in my opinion are Bind and Utsusemi. For bind I think you're running a little low on skill, and low on INT. I like to try and reach 330 skill and 120 INT on Faust. I don't have much experience with Macc gear so I really can't comment on how it compares though. Things that would help:

Relic Hat
Master Caster Bracelets
Snow Ring (I'd use over Balhrans)
Wise Pigaches +1

If you're using Enfeebling Earring (which I don't) you can hold off on the MCBs. The hat will put you at 332 skill, and add an extra refresh tic. The Snow Ring and Pigaches will add +10 INT to your setup, bringing you to 104 + 10 (added gear) + 7 (Cream Puff) - 5 (from AF1+1 hat) would bring you to 116 INT. Capped INT merits would put you at 121. Binds should be more reliable. Blinking during his typhoons to prevent knockback is advised too. Good Luck!

[rog]

it starts resisting gravity even tho i've only casted it like 3 times

Do you have any enfeebling merits? There's no way you're getting resisted that fast if you do. with this gear + 6 enfeeb merits, i easily keep gravity up around 50% of the time (takes me ~20 mins to kill it).

There's a lot of little things you can do to make it easier.

If you have a few seconds left on bind you can cast utsu2 right after typhoon, then continue running, and once it reaches you cast bind.

If bind has more than 5 seconds or so left on its recast, cast gravity asap, don't try to kite without it.

Try to kill it as fast as possible. The faster it dies, the less chances it has to resist bind and fuck you faster than you can react. Any time bind has <5 secs left, nuke. If gravity is on it, nuke. If you're low on mp, rest. While resting, make sure you get up immediately when it unbinds (unless you're within 1-2 secs of your next tic, but don't wait more than that), although if you're comfortable with it, you can also wait longer, then cast utsu2 asap after it hits you, then bind. If gravity is up while resting, you can obviously wait longer for that last tic of mp. Use all your mp up on nukes before vert is ready, and use it right away. Killing faster also means a higher % time that you can have it gravitied. 10 mins of gravity during a 40 min fight isn't terribly helpful, but in a 20 min fight it makes a huge difference.

If bind's recast isn't ready, and you don't want to/can't gravity it, then don't stand still; cotinue running at all times that you're not recasting utsu. You can get an extra 2-5 secs by running before it reaches you, and then another 2 or so while running while it's standing still after typhoon.

Also, start with bind after reaching the porter, not gravity.

Snow Ring (I'd use over Balhrans)

No.

And you really don't need that much for faust. I had little trouble with faust back when i had like ~315 skill, and ~100 int.

[Thorny]

(takes me ~20 mins to kill it).

wat

[rog]

wat

It's amazing what you can do with an extra 500~1k mp from resting, and spamming nukes as fast as possible.

[Thorny]

It's amazing what you can do with an extra 500~1k mp from resting, and spamming nukes as fast as possible.

bullshit. With 20 minutes of bio/poison, you still need to land 25 unresisted t3 nukes to kill it.. that's 3000 mp. Add in 303 for 3 composure refresh/haste/phalanxs, 240 for 30 binds, let's say 60 for 2 stoneskins because you're so awesome you never get hit.. that's 3600 total. Add in 10 gravities, 3840 mp. Your bind setup has 637 mp, assuming your blizzard setup has much more and you always do a blizzard first you get 757 mp per convertx2(unlikely) and 637 to start with. This is 2151 mp. Add in 4/click or 80/minute x 20 = 1600, and you have 3751 mp. You would need to rest for more mp than you spend curing, which sounds impossible tbh.. you realize first click of mp takes 20 seconds right?

[Tarmo]

I've killed 2-3 Faust's in 20 mins before. Most end up in the 25-30 min mark though.

[rog]

bullshit. With 20 minutes of bio/poison, you still need to land 25 unresisted t3 nukes to kill it.. that's 3000 mp. Add in 303 for 3 composure refresh/haste/phalanxs, 240 for 30 binds, let's say 60 for 2 stoneskins because you're so awesome you never get hit.. that's 3600 total. Add in 10 gravities, 3840 mp. Your bind setup has 637 mp, assuming your blizzard setup has much more and you always do a blizzard first you get 757 mp per convertx2(unlikely) and 637 to start with. This is 2151 mp. Add in 4/click or 80/minute x 20 = 1600, and you have 3751 mp. You would need to rest for more mp than you spend curing, which sounds impossible tbh.. you realize first click of mp takes 20 seconds right?

Curing? you mean 0~45 mp on a few regens, or the 0 to equip orochi?

Can cast first bind/nuke in a bit of mp gear to give me an extra 100 mp or so.

I also don't bother with phalanx, since i always recast stoneskin after getting hit by 2 typhoons (or right before it wears off on it's own), and it can't break ss in 2 hits with or without phalanx, but 3 can, again, with or without phalanx (or is it 4? idr, been awhile), though i guess that's made up for by actually needing 3-5 stoneskins.

I'm very well aware how long it takes to get mp from resting. Bind lasts longer than 20 secs at least 70%~ of the time, which means i'll get at least one tic, and maybe 15~25% of the time or so i'll get 2 tics. Obviously i won't always get any, but i don't lose anything by at least trying, and if it unbinds before i get any mp back, then i simply stand up, cast utsu, bind and try again.


Also 20 mins = 3 verts, not 2. It only takes like 2 minutes to nuke through mp and use vert, and it's usually dead almost immediately after the third vert.

It's really pretty easy to kill within 23 mins, which i can do consistently, though my fastest was 18 mins on thundersday, which is not nearly as easy, especially since that's not enough time for a third vert.

[Thorny]

Curing? you mean 0~45 mp on a few regens, or the 0 to equip orochi?

Are you really trying to claim you take 0 damage from 100%->dead on faust while resting between every bind? animation alone will get you typhooned twice in a row most of the time..

Can cast first bind/nuke in a bit of mp gear to give me an extra 100 mp or so.

how do you handle macros for that?

I also don't bother with phalanx, since i always recast stoneskin after getting hit by 2 typhoons (or right before it wears off on it's own), and it can't break ss in 2 hits with or without phalanx, but 3 can, again, with or without phalanx (or is it 4? idr, been awhile), though i guess that's made up for by actually needing 3-5 stoneskins.

a single typhoon can break SS if it gets off without utsu, not sure what you're trying to say

I'm very well aware how long it takes to get mp from resting. Bind lasts longer than 20 secs at least 70%~ of the time, which means i'll get at least one tic, and maybe 15~25% of the time or so i'll get 2 tics. Obviously i won't always get any, but i don't lose anything by at least trying, and if it unbinds before i get any mp back, then i simply stand up, cast utsu, bind and try again.

resting animation will let it get a 2nd typhoon off, which does damage if you aren't dat swapping shit to avoid animations

Also 20 mins = 3 verts, not 2. It only takes like 2 minutes to nuke through mp and use vert, and it's usually dead almost immediately after the third vert.

fair enough

It's really pretty easy to kill within 23 mins, which i can do consistently, though my fastest was 18 mins on thundersday, which is not nearly as easy, especially since that's not enough time for a third vert.

23 != 20, that's 15% more.. willing to bet you average closer to 30 than 20 though.

To stay on topic, most of what they said is accurate but I really wouldn't recommend trying to rest if you're new to it. With .dat swaps and good timing it's viable, but it's just going to make things more difficult for you in the long run if you can't kill it as is.

[rog]

Are you really trying to claim you take 0 damage from 100%->dead on faust while resting between every bind? animation alone will get you typhooned twice in a row most of the time..

Just about. Any damage i do take is so insignificant that orochi nodowa usually handles it, or else a regen or two will.

how do you handle macros for that?

spellcast.

a single typhoon can break SS if it gets off without utsu, not sure what you're trying to say

Yeah... i don't think so. Typhoon his me for around 120~150 iirc. -42/48% pdt goes a long way.

resting animation will let it get a 2nd typhoon off, which does damage if you aren't dat swapping shit to avoid animations

No it doesn't. Stand up before it reaches you, or even if it gets to you before you start getting up, you'll still almost always have time to cast utsu2 before it uses it again. It's pretty rare that i get hit twice before i can recast utsu, and if i wanted to play it safe i could easily avoid it 100% of the time.

23 != 20, that's 15% more.. willing to bet you average closer to 30 than 20 though.

That's true. Which is why i said about 20 mins. And you would lose that bet.

[Yugl]

Rog you need to start making guides for this stuff (Gear and all). Some RDMs in my LS have been wanting to solo some stuff, and aside from BLM solo guides (The obvious one), I haven't found rigid ones that suit RDMs (Gear/Mob Data/Strat).

Oh and thorny!

Don't mind Yugl, he just loves arguing with me. Maybe someday he'll catch me being wrong and cream his pants =D

Hmmm! Oh noes!

[Sekundes]

I'd be interested in seeing your spellcast to give me a few ideas on how I can help improve mine. I got most of the gear I need to do this stuff... I just lack the skill and the knowledge to put that gear to practical use in a solo situation. And rdm solo guides with advanced strats? Yes Please. and thanks for the ideas on this.

[Korremar]

belkinator: RDM/NIN - Sky Solo Guide Part II

[Thorny]

Rog you need to start making guides for this stuff (Gear and all). Some RDMs in my LS have been wanting to solo some stuff, and aside from BLM solo guides (The obvious one), I haven't found rigid ones that suit RDMs (Gear/Mob Data/Strat).

Oh and thorny!



Hmmm! Oh noes!

I'm not wrong, lol. Rog is exaggerating horribly, the numbers I posted are assuming no resists on nukes too and his gimp ass doesn't even have capped merits(I do have them and nuke in a decent amount of ele skill and still get significant resists there). I don't care how good you are, 349 skill still gets above floor for bind resists on faust(and that's the highest possible really, since avocat are garbage compared to goliard as is that dagger compared to staves), meaning you take damage. 30 minute average is reasonable, 25 minute average is good, 20 minute average is an outright lie.

[rog]

belkinator: RDM/NIN - Sky Solo Guide Part II

Those strategies are very outdated. They're a decent start for someone with very little solo experience, but there is a lot of wrong/bad idea in there.

Rog you need to start making guides for this stuff (Gear and all). Some RDMs in my LS have been wanting to solo some stuff, and aside from BLM solo guides (The obvious one), I haven't found rigid ones that suit RDMs (Gear/Mob Data/Strat).

Meh, there really isn't much too it. The basics are incredibly simple. Bind, run, keep buffs up, use gravity if bind isn't up/almost up, use -dmg% gear when shadows are down, keep dots up, and nuke whenever you have the mp and <5 secs left on bind recast.

If i were to write up something about all the other less obvious things that you can do, i'd probably just end up writing 10 paragraphs just to explain every possible situation and exactly when you should start/stop resting, and when it's worth continuing resting while a mob is hitting you, etc. and then no one would read it lol.

[rog]

I'm not wrong, lol. Rog is exaggerating horribly, the numbers I posted are assuming no resists on nukes too and his gimp ass doesn't even have capped merits(I do have them and nuke in a decent amount of ele skill and still get significant resists there). I don't care how good you are, 349 skill still gets above floor for bind resists on faust(and that's the highest possible really, since avocat are garbage compared to goliard as is that dagger compared to staves), meaning you take damage. 30 minute average is reasonable, 25 minute average is good, 20 minute average is an outright lie.

I usually don't get any bind resists, or if i do, i never get more than one. I do have capped ele merits, but yeah, i do get a few resists on nukes. And there is no way that 349 skill wouldn't give you a capped land rate. Mine is just about capped with 333.

Bind resists does NOT mean taking damage. That's what gravity is for. You see, i try not to cast it so much that it fully resists until it's just about dead.

You also overestimated how many (unresisted) nukes are needed. And although i do get resisted, resting makes up for that.

And i never said i averaged 20 mins. I said i can consistently (read: usually, but not always) finish in under 23 (which includes everything between 00:00 and 23:00) The last few i've killed were 19, 22, 21, 22, 23, and 25 mins. That's a 22 min average.

[Yugl]

If i were to write up something about all the other less obvious things that you can do, i'd probably just end up writing 10 paragraphs just to explain every possible situation and exactly when you should start/stop resting, and when it's worth continuing resting while a mob is hitting you, etc. and then no one would read it lol.

I actually have no problem if it turns out to be that much information. Not every idea can be explained with simple one liners.

[Tsuki]

takes me ~20 mins to kill it.

wat?

[stewie]

wat?

~ = about. about =/= exact.

[Thorny]

it's still unreasonable, rog acting like he's one of the top tier rdms when his merits aren't even capped is pretty laughable and 20 min faust is impressive, 25 isn't