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    Leaden Salute

    Recently dinged COR 75 and am looking to add some damage potential. I am not exactly rolling in dough nor do I have /RNG, so Gears+1, Steel Bullets, and spamming Slug Shot isn't something I really want to go for, and I rarely use COR anyway.

    I was wondering how going COR/NIN and meleeing for TP (maxing accuracy gear with Dagger/Joyeuse) and spamming Leaden Salute would be in terms of damage. I'm a melee noob for the most part so I had a couple of questions about Leaden Salute.

    1) How would the accuracy be for COR/NIN compared to Slug Shot with COR/RNG? Assuming comparable gear for both builds (I use Martial Gun too)?

    2) Since its a magic WS, is it natively more accurate than a melee WS? Seems like I miss less Atonements than say, Savage Blade. If so, would the best idea be to stack AGI/MAB and forget about Racc (aside from AF+1 gear).

    3) Which pieces would be better for Leaden Salute? Moldavite Ear vs. Drone Earring? Crapaud Earring vs. Drone Earring? Denali Kecks v. AF1+1?

    4) Which (if any) Gorget should I use?

    I should mention this is for XP and mid level NM as well. Thank you in advance!

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    For accuracy, Leaden Salute is going to be way better than Slug Shot. It's a magic based WS as you stated and therefore not affected by mobs Defense and Evasion, so I'm pretty sure it will hit 100% of the time (though can hit for 0).

    The downside is that the damage is quite weak compared to Slug Shot / Detonator. The only way to boost it is by MAB+, Dark/Pluto's Staff, or AGI Modifier.

    Personally, my gear for Leaden Salute is the same as I use for Quick Draw except I use Denali Bonnet instead of Corsair's Tricorne since it has 1 more AGI. Corsair's Tricorne +1 has the same AGI as Denali Bonnet though, so if you have that these two pieces are interchangable.

    It's best uses are really specific cases like fighting magic weak mobs or PLDs/THFs in Dynamis that have 2-houred. However, one good thing about it is the damage rating of the bullets you use for Leaden Salute have no effect so you can use Bronze instead of Steel and save a couple gil.

    Not an impressive WS by any means, but you can find uses for it if you play COR all the time.

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    Unless that dagger's an MKris, just use Joyeuse single-wield even while /Nin. Honestly, Cor/Nin is not very powerful. /Rng adds 22 acc to RA and TP (Huge, COR needs this in TP). Sharpshot gives you 2-3 infallible WS's every 5 mins, and barrage is just hot.

    If you're using a Martial Gun, and have respectable gear, you should still be able to pull out 80%~ WS acc at 100TP using Sushi. Personally, even /Nin, I am loathe to use Leaden Salute in exp. If you're /Nin, fighting mid-level NM, Slug's performance may start to drop because of its accuracy issues. But, Detonator can be used reliably here, assuming you have it. Speaking of Deto, if Accuracy is becoming a huge problem in merits, you can just switch to Detonator and do more than Leaden would.

    I don't think it's possible for Leaden to miss, but I haven't really used it enough to find out. I'm fairly certain it's just a pure AGI/MAB stack though, like Quick Draw. And yeah, Moldavite earring here. Denali Kecks as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurgen View Post
    I was wondering how going COR/NIN and meleeing for TP (maxing accuracy gear with Dagger/Joyeuse) and spamming Leaden Salute would be in terms of damage. I'm a melee noob for the most part so I had a couple of questions about Leaden Salute.
    It's already been said but if you force yourself to go /nin (ickickick.. /rng and /war ftw) don't use any dagger/joyeuse combination unless it's M.Kris. Something says if you can't afford +1 gear and steel bullets it isn't a M.Kris you'd be using. Go with single-wielding Joyeuse as stated. It's amazing. The end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jurgen View Post
    1) How would the accuracy be for COR/NIN compared to Slug Shot with COR/RNG? Assuming comparable gear for both builds (I use Martial Gun too)?
    Again as stated.. you're losing like 22 Acc/R.Acc so you'd have to make that up in gear which means losing potential Str/Agi/R.Att/Etc. in other slots possibly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jurgen View Post
    2) Since its a magic WS, is it natively more accurate than a melee WS? Seems like I miss less Atonements than say, Savage Blade. If so, would the best idea be to stack AGI/MAB and forget about Racc (aside from AF+1 gear).
    It's technically 100% accurate (unless the mob uses a magic defense TP move). R.Acc, R.Att, and bullets have 0 effect on Leaden Salute. As stated, Agi/MAB is the way to go. I've pushed Leaden Salute up to 500~ on Colibri but I think they have an innate MDB. In Dynamis I can push 1,100 damage (with pluto staff and peacemaker spamming). It has it's uses as you can see.. but yah. Shit's situational.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jurgen View Post
    3) Which pieces would be better for Leaden Salute? Moldavite Ear vs. Drone Earring? Crapaud Earring vs. Drone Earring? Denali Kecks v. AF1+1?
    Moldy/Crapaud/Denali Kecks (or Nimue's Tights if you can get them)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jurgen View Post
    4) Which (if any) Gorget should I use?
    Light/Dark both work (or so states wiki.. I use light). Otherwise use Ugly Pendant or that new MAB+2 neck piece from sky.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jurgen View Post
    I should mention this is for XP and mid level NM as well. Thank you in advance!
    Oh.. I should have read this. Ew. It's not worth using in XP. Period. No. Go kill gigas in upper delkfutts for 200G a drop and buy you a stack of steel bullets for XP. It'll last you a couple of merit PTs as /nin (not as long as /rng). :-/ Seriously.. don't be one of those Cors I laugh at. It takes money to do this shit! So yah.. peace. :<

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    Stop being lazy. Level /RNG, or at the very least /WAR, and use Slugshot and Detonator(when applicable). Its not as if you're firing shots, your ammunition costs shouldn't break the bank.

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    Thank you for all the info. I guess I should have mentioned I do have /WAR available and I will probably end up using that most likely. I figured COR/WAR for XP melee TP (as long as I don't pull) shooting with Detonator/Slug Shot. I guess I should have specified I was gearing more towards Mamool Ja camp as well, as you all have stated Slug/Detonator owns Birds and less Racc is needed. I don't really want to level /RNG as if the mob is high enough to truely warrant the extra Racc for COR, odds are I'll be fighting it on another job. Thanks.

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    In my experiences even with a solid set Leaden Salute is garbage outside of something like Dynamis statues, especially on birds who get a decent chunk of native MDB and are somewhat magic resistant in general. If you're that hurting for gil COR just may not be the job to use for merits unless you want to go full-on /WHM support style or some junk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callisto View Post
    In my experiences even with a solid set Leaden Salute is garbage outside of something like Dynamis statues, especially on birds who get a decent chunk of native MDB and are somewhat magic resistant in general. If you're that hurting for gil COR just may not be the job to use for merits unless you want to go full-on /WHM support style or some junk.
    Callisto!! Don't encourage Cor/Whm in merits. Leave that for the JP who I laugh at it when they kick me from XP PTs for going /rng!

    Also, to the OP.. even in mamool ja PTs you should be gearing for slug/det. Tbh I don't even slug on birds or mamool.. detonator onry. But then again my detonators don't miss (95% ftw) and do 1200~ to birds and 800~ on mamool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jak View Post
    Callisto!! Don't encourage Cor/Whm in merits. Leave that for the JP who I laugh at it when they kick me from XP PTs for going /rng!

    Also, to the OP.. even in mamool ja PTs you should be gearing for slug/det. Tbh I don't even slug on birds or mamool.. detonator onry. But then again my detonators don't miss (95% ftw) and do 1200~ to birds and 800~ on mamool.
    This, Detonator is MUCH more accurate and does as much damage as Slug if properly geared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auspice View Post
    This, Detonator is MUCH more accurate and does as much damage as Slug if properly geared.
    ^

    Never Cor/Whm in exp. Ever. And even if you don't *need* the 22Racc, you're going to want the extra 22Acc for TP'ing even with HQ sushi. If you're TP'ing in full acc and not utilizing Turban/Dusk/barbarossa/swift, something's wrong.

    Cor/War is very much doable once your merits and gear are very high end. But, realistically, you're going to be a lot better off Cor/Rng until you reach that level. (I'm talking capped sword, marks, salvage gears). Level it and never look back.

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    COR/WHM is the BEST way to go in merits. COR/RNG or COR/NIN is just a subpar DD - even with the best gears possible.

    COR/WHM doesn't shoot. Who the fuck care with losing 22 R.Acc ? I full time HQ Light Staff, gearing myself for 400-500 MP and able to pull 25-30k exp per hour. You will spam Dia2, Cure3, fix some status ailments, rolling exp/chaos, throwing Light Shots when BRD can't sleep some shits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eva00r View Post
    COR/WHM is the BEST way to go in merits. COR/RNG or COR/NIN is just a subpar DD - even with the best gears possible.

    COR/WHM doesn't shoot. Who the fuck care with losing 22 R.Acc ? I full time HQ Light Staff, gearing myself for 400-500 MP and able to pull 25-30k exp per hour. You will spam Dia2, Cure3, fix some status ailments, rolling exp/chaos, throwing Light Shots when BRD can't sleep some shits.
    what >_> cor/war subpar i hope your being sarcastic <_<

    Btw stick with Slug/det more then LS, its not bad but moslty waste time execept for thinks like Kirin / and sky gods and that kinda thing. Stack alot MaB and fill rest with AGI.

    btw please level war and rng sub you will thank us, and you will be uber happy with the damage you put out in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eva00r View Post
    COR/WHM is the BEST way to go in merits. COR/RNG or COR/NIN is just a subpar DD - even with the best gears possible.

    COR/WHM doesn't shoot. Who the fuck care with losing 22 R.Acc ? I full time HQ Light Staff, gearing myself for 400-500 MP and able to pull 25-30k exp per hour. You will spam Dia2, Cure3, fix some status ailments, rolling exp/chaos, throwing Light Shots when BRD can't sleep some shits.
    Do you not merit with a RDM? That's a RDM's job. If you're doing that, I have nothing to do.

    If you're not, I'm sure your DD miss haste.

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    No i was not being sarcastic about subpar DD. If you are a real COR, you should know that our damage is no where near a "good" [insert DD job here]. Yeah, my COR/WAR can pull over 1k or 1.2k WS on bird but so what when my DRG/SAM friend averaging his Drakebane about 1.5-1.6k with super fast TP gain (and really high damage on normal hit as well). The gap will be even more wide at mamool ja camp when mobs are very evasive. Occassionally you will find that 1 RDM/WHM cannot really take care everybody while keep mamool ja mage silenced, dispelled, land Dia2 to every mob, keep every body hasted. RDM will be forced to sit, skipping Dia2 thus slowing the whole party down.

    Facing this kind of situations many times then I am now convinced that COR/WHM can pull out more exp per hour with full supporting roll. If party needs a DD, i'll change to other job otherwise, I'll just go full support with COR/WHM to maximize exp rate and I am happy with 25-30k exp per hour I've got. (3DD RDM/WHM COR/WHM BRD/NIN)

    That's my personal experience.

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    Slight derail (but more on topic than COR/WHM)

    Do obis force the day/weather effect on Leaden Salute? As that would mean a nice 10% buff all day long in dynamis.

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    1 - 1.2 is good but you can push more.

    well i never party at mamools Birds only, but i push 1.2 - 1.5 easy sometimes 1.8+ depends mosly when JA's are ready.

    just i hate cor/whm such a waste in my eyes unless its kings or such.

    don't think obi effects LS, though can be wrong. now gorgets might have a better shot not sure anyone know if gorgets work on LS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eva00r View Post
    Occassionally you will find that 1 RDM/WHM cannot really take care everybody while keep mamool ja mage silenced, dispelled, land Dia2 to every mob, keep every body hasted. RDM will be forced to sit, skipping Dia2 thus slowing the whole party down.
    Don't invite shitty RDMs, problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julian View Post
    Don't invite shitty RDMs, problem solved.
    I am not about to justify COR/WHM, just defend RDMs in merits.

    My RDM merit set has 1030 MP (inc 8/8 MP merits), I have 5/5 Convert merits, I have 1MP/TIC autorefresh (working on making it 2), and I composure every refresh and I don't overheal (often).

    Short of A.body for more refresh I am not sure how I could improve (for meriting anyway).

    I run can out of MP before convert is ready when meriting.

    How? Noob DD /sam thinking they are the shit, but couldn't 3rd eye tank a wasp outside bastok let alone a VT bird.

    A RDM with no MP can be the RDM's fault, but it can be other peoples fault too.

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