Duoing Under Observation

[CubsWoo]

My fiance and I each have FFXI accounts and most of what we do in-game we try and duo (ZMs, nation missions, farming, Mire meriting, skilling up weapons, etc) and while we've done a few of the 'traditional' BC40 Under Observation runs a lot of the time the 2nd NIN seems unnecessary and we've been talking over whether the BC is feasible as a duo of NIN/BLM/RDM/WHM and RDM/BLM or WHM. We've got 2 current theories on how to tackle it (Drinks/food given):

1) RDM ES/Gravities the big eye and Binds one of the smaller eyes while NIN starts wheeling the other small eye. RDM drags big and small eye down the hill, alternating Bind and Gravity on each/reapplying Blink/Stoneskin. NIN normally kills one eye by the time RDM is doubling back up the hill and comes down to start wheeling small eye #2, RDM continues kiting big eye up to top of BC and back down. 2nd small eye dead, NIN and RDM move to top of BC area and wheel/DoT big eye to death.

Possible drawbacks: Kited eyes gaining grav/bind resistance, running out of time due to lack of damage. /RDM for NIN better sub than /BLM?


2) RDM ES/Gravities the big eye and NIN hits each small eye with an elemental Ni. RDM drags big eye up and down hill while NIN occupies both eyes, killing one at a time. Finish big eye as per scenario 1.

Drawbacks: NIN may not be able to tank both eyes at once, possibly solved by Hi-pots. Same time issues as #1.


Has anyone else on BG tried duoing this BC, and if so, is it worth doing? Is what we're theorizing on the right track or is it just better to take the third person and the guaranteed win/lower split?

[bercus]

Hmm... I think with enough food (Yag Drinks for RDM) its possible, but too much stress.
You dont have a lot of time to buff at start, Protect and Shell from RDM for NIN with already a Yag Drink popped, Barfira and you should start.

I would go NIN/WHM then instead of /RDM or BLM for Healing purpose.
I also think without a mistake you should be damage wise ok if you have gear to Melee later with RDM helping you on big eye with Paralyne.

Since RDM can also nuke on the last Eye it should be dead soon. Only problem I see is the possible risk from a Breakga with 2 mobs on the RDM.

The way from the area the mobs are to the start is long enough that with Gravity on big one and Bind on small one the NIN should hv killed the Eye by then. I suggest you try duoing it with a 2nd NIN in there incase you mess up and let him stand arround while you try it ^^. Best way to figure it out.

GL.

[Eaglestrike]

How does /whm do much for more healing? Divine Seal and a few more max mp? /rdm offers lower recast on Utsu as well as a faster Ichi cast and little to no downtime on Nukes. Also still only cure 2 as either sub and no auto-regen as /whm.

I would have the rdm kite the big eye and small one and let a nin solo one small eye at a time. RDM/NIN would probably be best, I don't see /whm or /blm really offering a ton for the BC, although I guess /whm for DS after Convert might be necessary.

Probably best to just find another ninja. It's no more gil for you two from duoing, as you lose that 3rd persons orb so overall it's best to just go with 3 (and since you don't need any gear or food when trioing, most efficient to do as 3) so aside from really being rushed for time or just wanting to say you did it, I don't see the point, I'd keep waiting to find a 3rd.

[Fng]

powder boots.. and anyone that can equip can kite just fine. (maybe two pair)

You dont need anything else to kite.

[izembo]

fast cast does very minimal reduction on utsu, and if you arent used to it, you'll end up getting a no effect on an ichi cast.

[Gulkeeva]

I think it may be possible with a blue and some yag drink/elixirs

maybe...

rdm gravity large, bind small -> run down the hill

blue can kill an eye before the big one gets down the hill usualy (runs down hill after eye killed). (small eye and big eye possibly reach down the hill same time?

powder boot back up, rdm runs big eye around. Blue claims other small eye kills it, and then both go to kill big eye.

Haven't tried it but sounds like it would work ok >.>

[Khamsin]

fast cast does very minimal reduction on utsu, and if you arent used to it, you'll end up getting a no effect on an ichi cast.

I notice a fairly significant difference from Fast Cast on utsu, actually. That's why I macro in fast cast gear for both utsu and stoneskin. Not too hard to time either, in fact, I had more difficulty timing when I went back to level my NIN 37->40 than on RDM.

[Vail]

you don't sub rdm for the fast cast in BC40, you do it for the Magic Attack Bonus (20%) this helps kill speed/power by alot, especially on the big eye NM cause he likes to use that HP recovery TP move

the fast cast for a 40/20rdm is 5% btw, which is pretty suggifigent at that level compared to being only able to wear 3% haste from fumas

[Everlasting]

you don't sub rdm for the fast cast in BC40, you do it for the Magic Attack Bonus (20%) this helps kill speed/power by alot, especially on the big eye NM cause he likes to use that HP recovery TP move

the fast cast for a 40/20rdm is 5% btw, which is pretty suggifigent at that level compared to being only able to wear 3% haste from fumas

So true, MAB is where it's at. Assuming you're only doing wheel and not actually swinging at them you shouldn't need paralyna or much healing.

[Semitry]

It's easily duoable with a nin and smn/bst. There's almost no risk if the kiter is decent.

[Dakana]

My only worry duoing it would be the 15 min time limit cap - I've done it rdm/nin/blu several times and while we don't rush it to make sure we don't die the time limit is always loming closely by when we pop the chest.

[Septimus]

you don't sub rdm for the fast cast in BC40, you do it for the Magic Attack Bonus (20%) this helps kill speed/power by alot, especially on the big eye NM cause he likes to use that HP recovery TP move

the fast cast for a 40/20rdm is 5% btw, which is pretty suggifigent at that level compared to being only able to wear 3% haste from fumas

So true, MAB is where it's at. Assuming you're only doing wheel and not actually swinging at them you shouldn't need paralyna or much healing.

Then why not sub BLM for only MAB? Because both is better than just one...

[Intense]

It's easily duoable with a nin and smn/bst. There's almost no risk if the kiter is decent.

Kiting as a BST is cake! I would spend 2 CC's per run with a PT of 3. Might need an extra when duo'ing.

[Kaylia]

you don't sub rdm for the fast cast in BC40, you do it for the Magic Attack Bonus (20%) this helps kill speed/power by alot, especially on the big eye NM cause he likes to use that HP recovery TP move

the fast cast for a 40/20rdm is 5% btw, which is pretty suggifigent at that level compared to being only able to wear 3% haste from fumas

So true, MAB is where it's at. Assuming you're only doing wheel and not actually swinging at them you shouldn't need paralyna or much healing.

I havent done the bc, so i dont know how hard nin hit them, but I hope you do know every spell give them 10tp. Ninja swinging is katana is probably around 15tp given per sequences.

[Luftiig]

Ive done this bc a shit load and NIN/RDM or NIN/BLM depending on race can pump out 80-100+ with each Ni spell. That still 2-3 wheels, so you will prolly run outa time before you can manage to kill all three.

[Everlasting]

you don't sub rdm for the fast cast in BC40, you do it for the Magic Attack Bonus (20%) this helps kill speed/power by alot, especially on the big eye NM cause he likes to use that HP recovery TP move

the fast cast for a 40/20rdm is 5% btw, which is pretty suggifigent at that level compared to being only able to wear 3% haste from fumas

So true, MAB is where it's at. Assuming you're only doing wheel and not actually swinging at them you shouldn't need paralyna or much healing.

Then why not sub BLM for only MAB? Because both is better than just one...

Both what, I don't get it.

I havent done the bc, so i dont know how hard nin hit them, but I hope you do know every spell give them 10tp. Ninja swinging is katana is probably around 15tp given per sequences.

I see, how much TP would swinging give them then?

I've only done it a handful of times but backwards tank with wheel, NIN/RDM worked fine.[/quote]

[Allundaria]

When we've done it, NIN/BLM would roughly the same damage as NIN/WAR with O.kote and Berserk on. The MAB bonuses are significant and add a lot of damage to your Ni nukes.

There's also the added benefit of being able to warp yourself after the runs are done, if you don't want to blow your 2 hour or something

[NynJa]

um....TP gain on these is irrelevant...

Spell > melee once or twice > TP > melee once or twice > Spell > Melee once or twice > TP......etc

[solsovly]

you don't sub rdm for the fast cast in BC40, you do it for the Magic Attack Bonus (20%) this helps kill speed/power by alot, especially on the big eye NM cause he likes to use that HP recovery TP move

the fast cast for a 40/20rdm is 5% btw, which is pretty suggifigent at that level compared to being only able to wear 3% haste from fumas

So true, MAB is where it's at. Assuming you're only doing wheel and not actually swinging at them you shouldn't need paralyna or much healing.

Then why not sub BLM for only MAB? Because both is better than just one...

Both what, I don't get it.

You don't get an extra level of MAB subbing 20 blm vs 20 rdm. So might as well have some actual useful spells and fastcast.

[Kooldac]

I don't have experience with the different sub jobs, but I do know that mixing in melees does help a significant amount. You just have to be smart and melee right after he uses Hex Eye or in middle of his casts. Unlock camera, swing around and swing right back in between elem ni casts.