PUP/COR

[BRP]

Oh yes, I heard about this odd combo from KI. I didn't want to ask any questions there, because KI's PUP forums scare me. Apparently it's based on using the pet based rolls(BST and/or PUP) on yourself and buffing your teammates with something else.

I'd imagine that this is based on mostly doing end-game things(well, the easier end-game things), where PUP's sub probably wouldn't matter much.

Any PUPs wanna give me some input on this? I'm working on getting my two PUP subs(MNK and WAR) to their right level and I was wondering if I should bother leveling COR.

[Tonko]

Subbed Corsair rolls are weak as hell. Not worth it.

[doofy]

For end-game activities where you wont be hitting the mob, yes. For everything else, no. Its the only current sub that can boost our automaton (you can only put on one roll and since you probably wont have a BST on the pt, its puppet roll) and it allows you to throw a roll on your other pt members. However, it does become irrelevant if you happen to have a few COR mains floating around to give you rolls.

Edit - AFAIK they changed the /cor rolls, they now provide the "job in pt" bonus, previously they did not.

-Vyzrael (Asura)

[fantasticdan]

From what I can tell, pup/cor could give up to +11-12% attack boost with chaos roll with drk in melee pt, doesn't seem so bad. What else would pup sub for endgame (if you would ever even bring a pup...), /whm?

[BRP]

So should I level it?

Well maybe I should be able to hold off on it, since it appears useless until 75?

[LinktheDeme]

No don't level it, like tonko said cor rolls are weak as sj because you cannot get the main job bonus if that job is in your pt, also only one roll

[Lordwafik]

No don't level it, like tonko said cor rolls are weak as sj because you cannot get the main job bonus if that job is in your pt, also only one roll

Edit - AFAIK they changed the /cor rolls, they now provide the "job in pt" bonus, previously they did not.

[Chupunpupun]

No don't level it, like tonko said cor rolls are weak as sj because you cannot get the main job bonus if that job is in your pt, also only one roll

Edit - AFAIK they changed the /cor rolls, they now provide the "job in pt" bonus, previously they did not.

Which is true? I play around with BRD/COR and I can tell you chaos roll is usually 1% ATK up, no DRK in PT.

[Lordwafik]

I just tested it right now, /cor and drk in pt, my attack went to 340something, without a drk in pt it went from 324>329/330ish. Multiple rolls. Definite difference.

[doofy]

/COR rolls are 50% (limited, but far from "worthless"), and previously didnt have the job bonus. Some time between implementation and the last patch they changed this, the job bonus wasn't there last fall when I first tried PUP/COR. Aside from PUP/COR I don't see /COR being used by much else anyway, and I wouldn't even use it on PUP if Puppet Roll wasn't below 37.

It adds a nice bonus to PUP that no other sub can provide on HNM/endgame, but its junk for everything else and I'd still much rather have the rolls from a COR main while subbing something else. A puppet or pet with both rolls puts up very nice numbers, its why I'm currently leveling COR (and its a fun job if you aren't cheap). I still don't know why CORs are so scarce, I'm starting to see more PUPs running around than CORs.....

-Vyzrael (Asura)

[Damane]

on the other hand COR/BST is very nice combo for soloing. Beast roll XI did let my spider attack go from 90 constantly to 110 with occasionally hitting 120. Not to mention they dont wiff much with PUP roll at XI

[Lordwafik]

I still don't know why CORs are so scarce, I'm starting to see more PUPs running around than CORs.....

I think it's a few things, one of them being lack of crowd control, no AOE sleep, randomness of rolls, no haste/attack speed roll, etc.

I'm sure if they add a Koga Roll that enhances the dual weild trait, you'd see corsairs invited like mad to TP burns with ninjas in them.

[Bagel]

DRG should've been haste roll, PUP should've been "chance to one shot" roll.

[Dense]

DRG should've been haste roll, PUP should've been "chance to one shot" roll.

LOLz.

[Damane]

I think it's a few things, one of them being lack of crowd control, no AOE sleep, randomness of rolls, no haste/attack speed roll, etc.

I'm sure if they add a Koga Roll that enhances the dual weild trait, you'd see corsairs invited like mad to TP burns with ninjas in them.

COR definitly need more rolls. I would also like to sea an ability on a 1min timer like quickdraw that works on PT members tough. would be nice to sea a haste enhanced from 15% to 20% haste. But if the new rolls they said they would maybe add, are good then thats even not needed.

[Vigilia]

I think it's a few things, one of them being lack of crowd control, no AOE sleep, randomness of rolls, no haste/attack speed roll, etc.

I'm sure if they add a Koga Roll that enhances the dual weild trait, you'd see corsairs invited like mad to TP burns with ninjas in them.

COR definitly need more rolls. I would also like to sea an ability on a 1min timer like quickdraw that works on PT members tough. would be nice to sea a haste enhanced from 15% to 20% haste. But if the new rolls they said they would maybe add, are good then thats even not needed.

Another big reason (and why I'm not leveling COR even though I love it) is inventory. It's more or less a support job by nature and for some retarded reason all support jobs are inventory leeches. And I'm too pedantic to do a half-arsed job about leveling it while only having one gearset and no cards. If SE gives us few more mog locker increases it'll happen. :D

[Bakthi]

COR is a pretty huge inventory hog. Like BST, you basically have to have 3 (at least partial) equipment sets: melee (for TP gain), ratk/racc (for WS), and AGI/MAB (Quickdraw), not to mention some extra gear for when you go /WHM to HNMs and don't melee or shoot at all.

It's extremely fun, however, and if by some miracle we have enough other BRDs at an event that I can manage to go COR, I will. I also sometimes break it out for base city Dynamis, or a merit party if there's already another (good) BRD. I like it in Salvage too (not Arrapago), though I'm often forced to chew through bullets since weapons are more important for pretty much everyone else. I did tank a Wamoura with nothing but Joyeuse damage though ^^

PLD roll should have been something like physical damage % down, and I'm severely annoyed that they made an expensive and high-level (relative to most other rolls) die something so terrible. Hopefully one of the planned rolls will be something like this, and I don't mean lolDEF either. This would further differentiate CORs from BRDs, which is good.

[safer]

the only roll i was really disappointed with was gallant roll.. its the only one that even in optimal conditions still provides negligible benefits

ninja roll is only good at low levels where eva tanking nins is actually really good

i'm still waiting on haste roll though =(

also i find it funny how when they initially annouced corsair, they totally ninja changed the job to work exactly opposite of what they said:
1 being /brd offers 2rolls + song , and now i just learned that /cor gives the job bonus