Another Epic Remora drama thread!

[TheUnspeakable]

Lets just make the topic now since its coming.

SO! Apathy had a bunch of shit go down with iulus' horn being dropped, his gear stripped, his MERITS dropped.... Terraflare losing roughly 80% of a Gjallar, along with gear, Apathys bank and mules being cleaned out... all the fingers pointed to their own members....

[Volken]

...............................

[TheUnspeakable]

NOPE! An actual SADPANDA member did it all. Well, actually 2.


edit:geeezus, I know you camp KI, but gimme a second to compile the info before u spam Ferenan.

[theo]

lol @ anyone who still gives out their account info these days.

[Volken]

wasn't chell?

[Ohemgee]

Lets make a new BG account and start shit!

[TheUnspeakable]

lol @ anyone who still gives out their account info these days.

who needs their account info when it's all taken from their site?

[TheUnspeakable]

Lets make a new BG account and start shit!

no, people know who I am. I don't post unless it's my business.

[theo]

lol @ anyone who still gives out their account info these days.

who needs their account info when it's all taken from their site?

So you're telling me they keep all of their login info listed on their website somewhere? I hope not, because that would be even worse.

[TheUnspeakable]

E-mail from an officer to SkidmarkX

Amulek wrote:
Hey there!

I’ve been wanting to chat with you for the past couple days, but I know the LS has been very busy with events and the like. Additionally, my schedule is still pretty hectic (plus, I’m enjoying the “peace” that is now LOTRO. With no

drama, what’s not to like?).

Let me first start out by saying that I know, from experience, that there are two sides to every story. I’ve already been presented with what I believe to be the first side. I’m reaching out to you in hopes that you can provide me with the

other side.

I know I haven’t been actively participating in the LS for a bit, but this whole Core/Mystaru situation has really been eating at me. Yes, I know he is rather “emo” at times, but the whole situation regarding his points and being accused

(or having any knowledge thereof) of hacking Donnie’s account just hasn’t added up. Additionally, I was a bit concerned about the recent “urgent” request to change Balance’s account info and the relatively little bit of information

provided to me as to why I needed to do so.

A few days ago, Core reached out to me and shared with my some pretty disturbing information. I’m not certain why he chose to confess past sins to me, but he felt that he needed to “come clean.” He and I spoke at great length

regarding the two of you working together to hack into several Apathy members accounts (Terraflarex, Iulus and some other name I don’t remember). According to him, he said you wanted to do this to “seek revenge.” He further

went on to explain that the alleged “pillage” involving stealing several trigger sets, equipment and dropping rare/ex equipment (such as Iulus’ g-horn.)

He provided me with several other details, such as:

--the two of you had several phone conversations to carry out this plan and that he had “evidence” that all this occurred.

--the pillage made you each about 150,000,000gil. Core stated that he shared his funds with family and friends (to think that a quarter of the LS could be involved.....!) and was able to purchase a Krakken.

--the two of you had the account information for pretty much all “old school” members of SP. He did not elaborate why the two of you had such information and what was being planned with it.

Core went on to state that he felt as if he was being black-balled (not certain if he meant by you or someone else). He also assured me that he had nothing to do with hacking Donnie’s account. I asked if he thought maybe you did it

and he said he didn’t think so.

I did ask Core if all this happened, and if he felt he was being black-balled, why he hasn’t come out in the open to share it. He didn’t really answer that question, other than to say that “he’s not like that.” Somewhat ironic..but

whatever.

Skid, I’m not certain what to think or say. Rest assured, in no way am I playing judge, jury and executioner. I guess I’m just concerned that if all this is true, the foundation of this LS is just one big hoax. On the other hand, I’m thinking

that maybe there is more to the story than just what Core told me. I dunno…..I just hope that in all this, it wasn’t a member of this LS that screwed Donnie over.

What is your take on all of this?

Response:


Skid wrote:
First of all, I'm very sorry that you had to find out like this and I can understand if you want to tell everyone what I'm about to tell you. Most of what Core told you is true. However, everything we did, we did for a good

reason, and I'll explain the reason I needed you and a few others to change thier PW's asap.

It started awhile ago when Apathy was continuously mpk'ing us in Aery & VoS, all the trash talk really got under my skin and I know Core didn't take it too well either, this was around the time when I decided I had enough of the game

and was about to quit. Core and I decided to do something about it because the GMs weren't gonna do anything. A few days later I get an email from Core with screenshots of Apathy's officer forums where Chell mentions she's had

access to the SP forums and asks the other Apathy officers not to leak the info out. He also sent me the screenshot where their officers were discussing how to break apart SP. Some of this you can see in that "Anon Apathy Post"

that was posted on our forum, and I'll tell you why this was so strange to me when I saw it on our forums a few paraghraphs down.

At first, Core wouldn't tell me who's account he was using to view the Apathy forums, but I soon found out it was Terraflarex by looking closely at the screenshot. It took me a few minutes to figure out how he did it: Terra had

registered on our forum under a number of different names, but all with the same password. At the time, all SP officers had admin priviledges on the forum and therefore they had access to our forum database, this was later

changed to prevent anyone being able to hack into our forums in the event that they found out Core and myself were involved. I soon found out that our forum is incredibly vulnerable. All the forum passwords are stored in the forum

database, encrypted in MD5 format, in which a simple password can be decrypted by searching google for an MD5 database. Basically, it's just an unsafe way to store passwords. Well, I found out Terra's password on our forum

and sure enough was able to get into Apathy's forums. A few other Apathy members who had registered on our forums also had pw's and pm's stored on our forum. Well... this is when I realized that the PM Yonn sent me with his

POL information was stored on there also, and kinda made me nervous because I knew Core was looking at it also. So I went through and deleted a number of these PM's with account info: Yonn, Balance, Sol, Yoshi, and some

other ones just in case.

From your original PM, "--the two of you had the account information for pretty much all “old school” members of SP. He did not elaborate why the two of you had such information and what was being planned with it." I just want to

make it very clear that neither of us would ever use accounts that LS members provided us with for anything like this. I've never had Terra's account info, ever.

I read through all the Apathy officer forums, and all I gotta say is I was disgusted and disturbed, all of my negative feelings and suspicions towards Terra since the day he blamed me for him leaving SP were confirmed, and I felt no

remorse for what Core and myself were about to do and still don't. I know that sounds really bad, but the people that were hacked deserved it, I really don't know how else to put it. It took me a few days to find out how to get into

Sinus's account, from there we got ahold of their forum database, which lead to their emails. In one of these emails we found a large number of Apathy id's and passwords, but we only picked those people who were causing or

have caused problems to both of us or the LS, and we also picked Apathy's bank / HNM bot mule Quyen.

We sat on top of this info for a week or so, deciding how to do it without getting caught. We discussed most of it over msn, he did call me once when I got stressed out after a long Cerb and logged off, but that was just to check on if I

was doing alright. The day we hacked the 3 people & bank we set up four mules to gather everything, it was around 5am. Core thought it would be a good idea to set these characters to anon on FFXIAH.com in case anyone was

able to trace it or whatever. We gave a bunch of stuff to xxxxxxxx, and a little to xxxxxxxxx. Core & Dexy kept two of the four osodes and everything else we split down the middle, about 300m. I didn't really need any gear though so I still

have pretty much my half of the gil, but Core bought all kinds of stuff and gave Ipkus and Stone a good bit. I had a feeling he would draw alot of attention and get caught sooner or later, but I didn't imagine like this.

So now we had this one mule full of Sea triggers that we didn't know what to do with. Around 2 full J-Lo sets, 8 Placidities, a large number of 3rd virtues and one or two 1st and 2nd virtues, 4 stacks of Ghrah M Chips. We wanted to

give this stuff to SP somehow, but we knew it would be painfully obvious if we suddenly had a boatload of triggers at our dispense. So we waited awhile, and slowly trickled a trigger here and there into SP's collection. One day Core

and I were talking about how to get some of the JLo virtues off the mule so he just popped on the LS saying that he forgot he was holding 2 virtues before he and Dexy went on break. There's still a ton of triggers on that mule that I

don't have a clue what to do with. Core joked about collecting points for "donating" these pop items, but I made it very clear that no credit/points or whatever will ever be taken for these triggers, and that's another thing that made me

suspicious when I found out about Core's whole points thing.

Ok that's the end of Chapter 1...

I might've been a month or so later when suddenly, we get that "Anon Apathy Post" posted in our general discussion, I quickly moved that to the officer section. I did not post that. It struck me as odd because first of all, I had already

seen that information a long time ago, and secondly, because Core and I had talked about in the past how if only we could tell SP about Apathy's plans to break us and all the shady stuff they're doing, but we couldn't say anything

about it, only offer hints. Remember Aadmo's post about where he implied joining Apathy, I really had to hold back from saying anything because I knew exactly what Apathy was doing and it was working. We lost xxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxx,

almost lost xxxxxxxxx, and a few others because of this shit. It was hard for me to watch Aadmo starting to turn his back on SP and maybe I reacted incorrectly and now he's uncomfortable around me or whatever, but looking out for

my friends has been important to me. I'm sorry that you might feel that the foundation of this LS is a hoax, yes we stole and lied, but we had our reasons. Anyways, I asked Core twice if he was the one who posted that on our forums

and he said no both times.

The next day, Sol logs on after maintainence and finds outs all of his stuff is gone. At this point I become very suspicious as to what's going on. I talked to donnie about it and he said that it must've happened early in the morning,

because he logged on just before maintainence started. A few days later, Sol posts in the admin section that he found the mule "Sixteen" had set their profile on FFXIAH.com to anon, that's what really set off an alarm for me. I recall

very clearly Core mentioning to me how broke he was after buying a Kraken and giving alot of his gil away so it just seemed really strange to me that all of this was happening in the same time frame: anon apathy post, sol getting

hacked. Then I remember that Sol's account info was stored in our forum database, and immedietely I have Yoshi, and Yonn change their passwords. I asked Core if he knew anything about it and he said he didn't, but I couldn't

help but think he was lieing to me. He said something along the lines of, "why would they take all of his money items but not his gil". I don't know how exactly he knew that they didn't take Sol's gil, maybe Sol said it in LS chat but I

don't recall him saying that, but Core knew. I also knew that in order to draw away any unwanted attention to Core and myself, because everyone knows that I can't stand the guy, when Terra's account was hacked we did not touch

his rare/ex items, as much as I wanted to drop the dalmatica that I passed to him and paid for. I just had this suspicion that Core was using the same tactic to draw attention away from himself. I never accused him though, I let it

go.

So then... a few days later I get a PM from xxxxxxxxx where he has a screenshot of the post that Core edited mentioning his points before he left. I had Luj send me an old copy of the database and found out that Core was in fact

trying to cover it up. I asked him to come on Vent and questioned him about what he was trying to do with the points and he just flat out fed me, Speak, and Zenga a bunch of bullshit about how he thought it was a mistake, and that

he thought those extra points were from all the Sea triggers that he donated. I was kinda speechless, and needless to say my trust in him took a huge blow. So I dragged him into another room, and made him tell me what was

going on and he confessed that he was trying to keep the extra point that were accidently added to his total when he returned. The fact that he would blantantly lie to me about something as simple as that made me ask him again

about Sol's situation. I know Core had access to Sol's account info, but he continously said he never saw it, he only skimmed through our forum database to find info on the Apathy people. Still I didn't accuse him, all I did was

exlplain to him why I was becoming suspicious that it might have been him and he understood that much. Then he said, "Ipkuz has been spending alot lately", which didn't make much sense to me why he would point the finger at

someone that he's trusted to tell about the whole Apathy hack thing. So I honestly don't know if Core did it or not, and I can swear on my mother's grave that I had absolutely nothing to do with Sol getting hacked. If you don't believe

anything I've said so far, believe that.

After that, Core was really upset, and took it really hard. He felt like I no longer trusted him, that I was trying to "blackball" him, or whatever and that's not the case. He's the one who made not one, but two posts telling everyone that

he didnt hack Sol and making a big deal out of it when I never said he did in the first place. Some of what he and Dexy mention in his "goodbye posts" are complete bs.. like he' still trying to cover up the points thing by saying that he

thought those extra points were from triggers that he got cheap from a bazaar, when we discussed that nobody would get any points for those. The day he made his second post in the general discussion I told Ipkus about

everything, unaware that Core had already told him parts of it, another thing Core had lied to me about. I was going to tell Stone too but he wasn't online at the time because I felt that they both should know what's really going on with

Core and where all that gil came from. Cjtopher said he's tried talking to Core about it but he's still in "defense mode" and Dexy will agree with anything Core says at this point just to save face. So I dunno.. maybe that's why Core

came to you and confessed everything, we both trust you completely.

This is why I asked you to change Balance's account info asap, but I couldn't say much. Because you had sent it over PM on the forum. It's why I need you to clear out any information from your PM's that you don't want to ever be read

because our forum is just... unsafe. It's why I asked Zimo to change his forum account password asap, because when I had Core in that private channel on Vent in "confession mode" I asked him how he was reading the SP admin

section, because he said he thought his points were in process of being fixed, and he said through Zimo's forum name.

So I don't know what to say really, I don't know how many more people Core will go telling, he's pissed off at me right now that's for sure, maybe this is his way of getting back at me for nailing him on the points thing, but I couldn't

just let something like that slide. And I'm sorry for letting you down, and I understand if your trust in me is lost. I understand now why you changed Balance's pw a second time, and mentioned "sure is alot of triggers on Balance", lol.

My sister and I are joining the Airforce soon, it might be about time to seriously pack up and move on, hell I've got about $2000 worth of gil now I could use to get my life started...

[evilpaul]

Remora Drama™ now with 70% more phail per page!!!

[TheUnspeakable]

Had to post this because it's coming anyway.

if you didn't read the bible...

300+ mil of apathy = RMT'd

[Sendra]

this has more potential than 95 dodge interiors

[Natallon]

WOOOOO huge text

[Tradition]

hahahaha

God bless Remora.

[iulus]

OH, HI GUYS.

[Volken]

before my head explodes, I'd like to thank you unspeakable for making my life complete.

[Korietsu]

Amazing. Simply Amazing.

[Epyslon]

Why hot fuckin damn son

[Volken]

To think I spent all this time despising the bringers of godly retribution on the scourge of remora, IM CONFUSED AND ENFURIATED