This just popped in my head randomly

[Xiona]

Ok i dont know everything about religions so i had a question that maybe could be cleared up by someone who is more devout than i. In some religions suicide is conssidered bad and will send you to hell or its equivilant. my question is; If you partake in things that lead to your demise knowing you could die, couldnt that be construed as suicide? things like smoking, jumping from planes, etc. now i know the difference with suicide is that you are trying to die but if you know youre going to die as a result wouldnt that be suicide with ignorant tendencies?

if this line of thinking seems irrational lemme know, things like this come pop up in my mind on a regular basis.

[Tonko]

Do you know what catholics consider contraceptives a sin?

The reason is the same as why suicide is a sin.

If you're dead, or if you don't make lots and lots of babies, then your religion doesn't make as much money as it could otherwise.

Your line of thinking is irrational though. You know the activity MIGHT kill you, but you're not doing it because you want to die, so no suicide.

[Saga]

Do you know what catholics consider contraceptives a sin?

The reason is the same as why suicide is a sin.

If you're dead, or if you don't make lots and lots of babies, then your religion doesn't make as much money as it could otherwise.

Your line of thinking is irrational though. You know the activity MIGHT kill you, but you're not doing it because you want to die, so no suicide.

so if i smoke just to smoke then it's cool, im not sinning, but if i smoke with the intent of killing myself im going to hell? huh?

either way you're shortening the amount of time you have on this earth. i dont see why, at least in this case, intent matters.

[EternityEnd]

Because Religion is so vague and contradicting, there's really no point debating on this. I do agree with Tonko in the fact that everything in religion is just aimed to get to have more and more babies to brainwash into becoming [insert religion] to make more money/increase popularity.

[Krye]

Doing ANYTHING could get you killed. There's no way to eliminate the chance that you might die at any time for any reason.

[Kaylia]

Do you know what catholics consider contraceptives a sin?
The reason is the same as why suicide is a sin.
If you're dead, or if you don't make lots and lots of babies, then your religion doesn't make as much money as it could otherwise.Your line of thinking is irrational though. You know the activity MIGHT kill you, but you're not doing it because you want to die, so no suicide.

I doubt every religious leaders are evil mastermind who make up belief to be successful over the centuries, lot of them probably believe what they are preaching and they do it thinking it's the right thing to do. I'm not saying no "political decision" was ever taken, but I doubt it's the only explanation.


On topic, I don't think useless risks are well accepted for christian, but I'm not certain. Jumping off an airplane with parachute would be considered useless, and might be a minor sin. Taking a life (abortion, suicide, murder) is a deadly sin afaik, which is far worse than doing something risky.

[Ambir]

Do you know what catholics consider contraceptives a sin?

The reason is the same as why suicide is a sin.

If you're dead, or if you don't make lots and lots of babies, then your religion doesn't make as much money as it could otherwise.

Your line of thinking is irrational though. You know the activity MIGHT kill you, but you're not doing it because you want to die, so no suicide.

so if i smoke just to smoke then it's cool, im not sinning, but if i smoke with the intent of killing myself im going to hell? huh?

either way you're shortening the amount of time you have on this earth. i dont see why, at least in this case, intent matters.

Sins are about intent, not result. It's the reason you're doing something, that causes the problem.

Ethics.

[-Omni]

So wait like if I voted for a certain candidate that would eventually bring death to thousands of innocent people would that mean I go to hell? Like, vicarious murder?

On the topic of suicide: I don't think accidents count as suicides, no.

[Koga]

I think most people consider suicide going to do something intentionally trying to kill yourself.
There is a difference between running into a burning building to save someone knowing that you may die and then running into a burning building hoping that you die from the fire.

[Takie]

I believe intent has to be involved. If you want to die and you do something dangerous on purpose for that reason, it'd be considered suicide but if you just like the thrill of going skydiving and end up dying in the process, that's not suicide

[Senoska]

Do you know what catholics consider contraceptives a sin?
The reason is the same as why suicide is a sin.
If you're dead, or if you don't make lots and lots of babies, then your religion doesn't make as much money as it could otherwise.Your line of thinking is irrational though. You know the activity MIGHT kill you, but you're not doing it because you want to die, so no suicide.

I doubt every religious leaders are evil mastermind who make up belief to be successful over the centuries, lot of them probably believe what they are preaching and they do it thinking it's the right thing to do. I'm not saying no "political decision" was ever taken, but I doubt it's the only explanation.


On topic, I don't think useless risks are well accepted for christian, but I'm not certain. Jumping off an airplane with parachute would be considered useless, and might be a minor sin. Taking a life (abortion, suicide, murder) is a deadly sin afaik, which is far worse than doing something risky.

...Abortion?

Figured I'd poke my head into yet ANOTHER relgious debate, since we all know where this is going figured I'd get in before it.

Don't worry about it, just make sure you repent afterwards Love you religious people <3

[Demosthenes11]

/cue
all religion is stupid and so are the religious people. You are going to die a terrible, lonely death because there is no possible evidence which supports a god or the afterlife. Just kill yourself now you rightist nutjobs.
/end rant

[Kuya]

/cue
all religion is stupid and so are the religious people. You are going to die a terrible, lonely death because there is no possible evidence which supports a god or the afterlife. Just kill yourself now you rightist nutjobs.
/end rant

Umm, relevance?

[Demosthenes11]

wait for it

[Saphirea]

From a Catholic Point of view taken directly from the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC)

THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT
You shall not kill.54
You have heard that it was said to the men of old, "You shall not kill: and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment." But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment.55

2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.

2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.

2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.

Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

Respect for health

2288 Life and physical health are precious gifts entrusted to us by God. We must take reasonable care of them, taking into account the needs of others and the common good.

Concern for the health of its citizens requires that society help in the attainment of living-conditions that allow them to grow and reach maturity: food and clothing, housing, health care, basic education, employment, and social assistance.

2289 If morality requires respect for the life of the body, it does not make it an absolute value. It rejects a neo-pagan notion that tends to promote the cult of the body, to sacrifice everything for it's sake, to idolize physical perfection and success at sports. By its selective preference of the strong over the weak, such a conception can lead to the perversion of human relationships.

2290 The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. Those incur grave guilt who, by drunkenness or a love of speed, endanger their own and others' safety on the road, at sea, or in the air.

2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law.


So seeing there tobacco in reference to your smoking comment, yes, smoking with the intent of killing yourself is in fact a Grave (Mortal: requiring confession) sin. Smoking for the sake of smoking would be considered a minor (Venial: not requiring confession) sin.


And say what you want with us "Religious nut jobs" or whatever term you used. I enjoy my religion and my faith. You believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want.
Cue Pascal's Wager if you must.

[Dezzimal]

I like how religion is sees so much abuse on the internet, but say anything that could possibly be construed as anti-gay and you get the entire homosexual inquisition coming after you.

[Ambir]

So wait like if I voted for a certain candidate that would eventually bring death to thousands of innocent people would that mean I go to hell? Like, vicarious murder?

On the topic of suicide: I don't think accidents count as suicides, no.

If you knew that's what the candidate was planning and then voted for him to help him accomplish it, then yes.

If it was just someone you voted for, and that was something he ended up doing, then no.

It would be your action and your intent that would decide your fate...

[Furtwangler]

I like how religion is sees so much abuse on the internet, but say anything that could possibly be construed as anti-gay and you get the entire homosexual inquisition coming after you.

It's all about what's "popular" or generally accepted by society, today it's all about gay rights etc.

[Maguspk]

I'd like to think God wouldn't play games with something like this.

Considering he can see into anyone's heart and know the intention; if you die taking a risk but you "lived the way he wanted" or whatever, I'm sure you'd be "accepted" into the "beneficial" afterlife. That's like a firefighter being sent to hell for saving a child out of a burning building. It's totally counter intuitive and even suggesting a God would do something like this is just messed up. It isn't a video game, especially if you're talking about serious religion, it's your theoretical afterlife. No infinitely knowledgeable being with limitless compassion/love for it's creation would choose to play a sick game like that with it's souls.

It isn't like God's up there saying, "oh hmmm he knew he could possibly have died, what a douchebag, to hell with him."

[Faris]

So wait like if I voted for a certain candidate that would eventually bring death to thousands of innocent people would that mean I go to hell? Like, vicarious murder?

Well, in a way, i think you are involved in the killing of those thousands of people. You do realize, that your money(taxes) goes to the government, which funds wars and blah blah. So, i think yes, in a way, but you won't take all the blame. Hey, im sitting in the UAE and in a way im funding the war by buying american products, the whole fucking world is funding the war....fuck!