Low manning events

[Eldelphia]

If you wanted to keep your blood pressure within normal bounds and low man events which jobs would you want people to have? I'm talking about prolly a 8-12 man group. What events are in scope? My assumption is Limbus and Salvage, Omega with 12. Some Sky?

Not talking about relic holders here but people with reasonable skill and half decent gear who might be prepared to level other jobs to improve flexibility and work hard as a team to kit the team out.

What key pieces/jobs/subjobs would make a group like this?

[Rasantath]

If you wanted to keep your blood pressure within normal bounds and low man events which jobs would you want people to have? I'm talking about prolly a 8-12 man group. What events are in scope? My assumption is Limbus and Salvage, Omega with 12. Some Sky?

Not talking about relic holders here but people with reasonable skill and half decent gear who might be prepared to level other jobs to improve flexibility and work hard as a team to kit the team out.

What key pieces/jobs/subjobs would make a group like this?

you should have no problem doing any of that with 12 people.
with skilled people you could probably do everything but kirin. maybe even that with exceptionally skilled people.
limbus should be no problem at all, probably omega, not sure about ultima.
having a brd, a rdm, a good pld or two, a thf for th, a whm, and pretty much anything else and i would think you'll be fine.

[Ichthyos]

In general, assuming you don't have to worry about people being offline... 1 THF, 1 WHM, 2 BRD, a few RDMs, and as many melee (MNK for Salvage, WAR or other heavy DD for general purpose, maybe 1 or 2 with PLD leveled) you can find that also have BLM leveled. There are, of course, other jobs that can be useful depending on the situation. In addition to the standard subs, you might want everyone to have /NIN so you can fight things mostly without tanks.

Having TH4 and pimped out mages will help keep that blood pressure down. Ridills might be useful on things you're meleeing. Other than that, if they know how to play their jobs, they shouldn't need anything special.

Aside from Limbus and Salvage, you can farm Zilart Dynamis (maybe not getting the wins, but having a shot at all the AF), obviously do all the ENMs, all the tier 1 jailers and aerns (at least), and do most if not all of sky. If you get a couple more people you could farm Ouryu and Bahamut 2 as well as KS99's.

Doh, beaten by Rasantath.

[Wizerd]

Aside from Limbus and Salvage, you can farm Zilart Dynamis (maybe not getting the wins, but having a shot at all the AF), obviously do all the ENMs, all the tier 1 jailers and aerns (at least), and do most if not all of sky. If you get a couple more people you could farm Ouryu and Bahamut 2 as well as KS99's.

You can beat Bastok, San d'Oria, Windurst and Jeuno with some good pulling, coordination, sleeping, and good gear/skill with 10 people. A simple strong merit style party (something like BRD BRD RDM and 3 strong melee with /NIN including a tank of sorts, NIN would be best), 2 BLMs, a THF, and a RDM. You have to skip farm pulls, and be strategic about killing, but very doable.

In Bastok, it's easy enough, as long as the puller has a reasonable kiting area for the last pre-boss NM pull.
In San d'Oria, if you've learned how to pull each pull (including not linking gates), you can do everything up to and including Voidstreaker+boss.
In Windurst, it requires a couple of sac pulls, but if done properly this is the easiest one to "win". You won't get the full time.
In Jeuno, you just don't get to kill any of the triggered repops.

I'd bring at least 14 for Beaucedine win though, because of the boss and his death moves / warping around. <_<

And obviously Xarcabard is very farmable with 12.


Edit: ok well, the above isn't exactly within the bounds of keeping blood pressure at normal rates. But I love high pressure events. <_< (Also forgot puller, so 2 BLMs instead of 3, which is fine if they're good)

[Eldelphia]

I think THF is the job we're really missing. I'm seriously considering rethinking how I play my game to cut down on the amount of time it takes up in drama/stress

[Darus Grey]

If you wanted to keep your blood pressure within normal bounds and low man events which jobs would you want people to have? I'm talking about prolly a 8-12 man group. What events are in scope? My assumption is Limbus and Salvage, Omega with 12. Some Sky?

It has been my experience that with the exceptions of Einjerhar(which isn't even impossible, just hard beyond reasonable due to time limitiations) everything in-game is doable by 12 dedicated people. Not even ultra relic holder players.

The most important factor in the equation is the jobs you have and spreading the jobs you have available among the people you have. Ideally every member of a low-man operation should be able to reasonably fufill every role(tank,meleedd,magicdd,support,healer) . This is the biggest factor.

[Eldelphia]

The most important factor in the equation is the jobs you have and spreading the jobs you have available among the people you have. Ideally every member of a low-man operation should be able to reasonably fufill every role(tank,meleedd,magicdd,support,healer) . This is the biggest factor.

Yeah, this is where my thinking is going too. I have a heap of mage jobs levelled but have always considered levelling THF and PLD. Thinking now about trying to take up something non Mage based so that I can be more flexible and have gently been asking peeps around me whether they'd feel the same.

[Guni]

You can do pretty much everything but Eijenhar, JoL and Dynamis Lord low manning. I'm a member of Psychos on Hades and we've killed Ultima, Omega, Kirin and Bahamut v2 with only 10-14 people without relics or kraken clubs.

About what jobs you'll need I hate to pull "shit is situational :bagel:" on you but to be honest it is and so really the most important thing for low manning stuff is being flexible with jobs, having members with 3-5 different jobs really helps. Our most basic setup is x2 Pld/Nin, x1Thf, x2 Whm, x2Rdm, x1Brd, x3 Melee(Usually a mix of Rng and Sam) and x3-4 Blms. Also Rune Axe Drk can make life a whole lot easier for events where you melee zerg such as Bahamut v2.

[Eldelphia]

Rune chopper drk is something we're working on right now. I think THF and RDM are the problems but we have peeps right now. I have access to RDMs just they're not reliably on.

[Aux]

Limbus
2 parties - enough to beat any zone for both Temenos and Apollyon. You could even split some zones between two groups and get clears faster for U/O.

Sky (detailed) - Keep in mind I'm talking about this from 05-06 perspective, when merits just came out, no ParaII, SlowII, and all the nice stuff of today.
Everything is doable. Even triggers you don't even need the full calvary, you can split it up. From the best of my knowledge
Seiryu - definitely doable with 12. You just need a strategy for 2hour, whether it being shadowbind, bind, cs stun, gravity.
|> Mother Globe - Only need a tank, some healers, and a few blm's to take care of spawns.
|> Steam Cleaner - expert NIN and RDM-BRD can duo Steam Cleaner as the bare minimum.

Genbu - Need I say more?
|> Zipanca - Might be a tougher battle due to the aoe spamming, but it's a walk in the park once you anticipate everything (which is very easy)
|> Olla - From my experience, it was the fewer people you had on it, the easier it was. Was all the TP spam that made it seem harder. You'll need that thf to get the trigger to drop though.

Suzaku - One of the harder sky gods. But if you can defeat Seiryu, I don't see a problem with Suzaku whom is just a small step up.
|> Faust - Even RDM can solo it now. 40 minutes. Check it out on youtube, it's fairly simple. I'd imagine the porter trick still works too, back in the old days we found out his pathing is screwed up if you use the portal in the fighting room to your advantage to manipulate his direction.
|> BB - no comment.

Byakko - No need to fear him, it's just all the hype that makes him seem harder than he really is. Even though he's the hardest of the four. Luckily he has the weak 2hour.
|> Despot - Kite unless you're man-up enough to straight tank it.
|> Ulli - I remember the days of leveling in Shrine, when Ulli popped, EXP parties would kill it and free lot it between the members.



Dynamis
Cleared Jeuno with as little as 10 from my experience, back in 2006. Everyone in my linkshell has skills of some extent, and some had multiple jobs at their dispense.
I could imagine the rest of the cities being easy too, just like the others in this thread have replied.
Beaucedine is fairly simple too for a 2 party group. You just have to avoid links or the puller will require sacrificing his life for the alliance.
Obviously, you'll never be able to clear Beaucedine and Xarcabard though, but on a bright side you can do the full demon Family with 6 extremely skilled people.

Salvage
It's expected to go with less than 2 parties for here.

And your standard NM's.. You'll probably be able to kill everything sans Nidhogg, Jorg, Aspi, KB, Tiamat. Everything else should be doable. Not too sure about the sea gods.. Hopefully someone can shine some information on them.


This was actually the direction of a linkshell I was looking to lead with some friends a few years back. Everyone knew someone else in the LS in RL one form or the other.
The only downside is that reality hit me and I left the game for awhile, then I came back and only 1 of those 15 people play today. Now I sit around alone in an empty linkshell that once was a thrill to be a part of.

I hope you'll be able to enjoy and keep your new linkshell together, just don't make the same mistakes of losing them like I did.

[Donjarfi]

You can 12 man KB and Aspid...

I've 11 manned KB with 1 of the people being a THF.
Aspid you can solo tank w/ RDM main heal, brd x2, then a couple people to SC and BLMs.

[Seditedi]

can 12 man nid too.

[Naramaska]

You can 12 man KB and Aspid...

I've 11 manned KB with 1 of the people being a THF.
Aspid you can solo tank w/ RDM main heal, brd x2, then a couple people to SC and BLMs.

FWIW, i've seen Aspid 6-manned on our server:

RDM/NIN
RDM/NIN
BRD/WHM
3x BLM/RDM

:E



Low-manning just comes down to basically staying alive, and doing enough damage to overcome regen. For literally any mob, a 6-man tank PT should be more than enough to hold any mob in the game, and then from there you can add 1-6 people to do damage. For both groups, whatever works for your LS is fine. Some LS's have great melee, some have great mages, some use RDM tanks, some NIN. Whatever works, works.

[Wizerd]

You can probably actually 12-man DL with a good setup and some luck, too.

I imagine 2 RDM/DRKs, 3 CORs, a THF, a BRD, a WHM, and maybe 4 RC DRK/SAMs. The 4 RC DRKs can put out half his HP in 30 seconds, half of 1 chainspell stun. If CORs are quick to switch, and get at least 1 Wild Card roll in, you could probably down him. Would be extremely challenging though I guess, with a lot of luck. <_<

[Darkmoon]

You can Low man JoL also, we have done it with 15, and I was running 3 of those (BRD(for Tanks/WHM), BRD(for blms), THF on auto attack).

I we also could have lost a few and had np. Minimaly id say for JoL
This assumes no DCs no afks.

Tank Party
PLD/RDM
WHM
RDM
BRD

Summon PT
4 BLMs (Safer with 5, but if the 4 oare well geared/good, then 4 is plenty) (these kill summons)

1 SAM
1 THF (for placebo)


Thats 10 and "Minimal", in a 12-14 man group I would add a 2nd PLD incase a bad Astral Flow on tank right after Summons. I would add another BLM or 2, and Id put a BRD in BLM party if you dont want the single BRD to swap pts for ballads. If you have BRD in BLM pts, then BLMs can all -ga Summons, then put one nuke on JoL, Rest, Repeat. The SAM, or other DDs are just there to make it faster.

Again this isnt Optimal, its just showing you can do this with a low man group NP.

[aurik]

There's a thread about low-man limbus in the event forum. The conclusions:

Apollyon NW: 2, or solo if you have an amazing rdm or blm
Apollyon SE, SW: 2
Apollyon NE: 2, or solo if you're Kaeko and have good luck
Omega: 10~ is safe, can go as low as 6

Temenos E/W/N: 3
Temenos C1: 4
Temenos C2: 4
Temenos C3: 5
Ultima: 12~ is safe? Can go as low as 6, but it gets very sketchy.

The nice thing about taking low man limbus runs is that coin-wise it is very rewarding.

[aurik]

You can probably actually 12-man DL with a good setup and some luck, too.

I imagine 2 RDM/DRKs, 3 CORs, a THF, a BRD, a WHM, and maybe 4 RC DRK/SAMs. The 4 RC DRKs can put out half his HP in 30 seconds, half of 1 chainspell stun. If CORs are quick to switch, and get at least 1 Wild Card roll in, you could probably down him. Would be extremely challenging though I guess, with a lot of luck. <_<

With 12 people I'd just do RNG x8, THF, DRG, BRD, RDM. With angon/feint, SV songs, slug-barrage-EES-slug-wing-slug you could probably one-shot him.

[Kainstryder]

Coordination is key. If you can get everyone on Ventrilo for every event, you can react and get things said/done faster than typing. Leaves more room to focus too. If you don't already do this, it'll improve your group a few notches I'd say, especially if most aren't use to endgame or working in small numbers.

[Ryko]

Surprised therin hasnt posted in here yet.

[Therin]

Surprised therin hasnt posted in here yet.

I saw it in class today but I didn't really have time to write anything up.

And there's not a whole lot to say now, everyone else has said it all.