Respect my authority!

[guartz]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354990,00.html


The utter rank stupidity of this scenario should clue people into rethinking the entire government structure as a whole.

But oh no. It's the law kids, common sense stays out of it.

Of all the retarded reasons people can go to jail on this planet, this has got to be in the top 5.

Of course, the number 1 reason is jailing people who don't pay taxes, but that's besides the point.

[Nystul]

You're right. Parents shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of their children, her lack of an education will benefit her and all of society!

[Tajin]

Why would you get custody if you are not going to take care of the children, crazy humans.

[SephYuyX]

Sounds like a good idea to me. Parents should be jailed/fined for their irresponsibility when it comes to their childrens education. Especially when they know their kids are skipping school, though I guess it is a fine line btwn how much the gov should interfere with the homestead. But w/e, any responsible parent wont have anything to worry about.

[Shuemue]

Good law imo.

[Neosutra]

Your also right in saying that people shouldnt be held responsible for using our nations social resources and benefits w/o paying for them. I sure as hell wouldnt want someone to be in trouble for not paying their debt to our nation when I forked out 30 grand last year.

Or was this entire thread a joke?

[Ivve]

Oh fuck, here we go.

[Izzy]

Your also right in saying that people shouldnt be held responsible for using our nations social resources and benefits w/o paying for them. I sure as hell wouldnt want someone to be in trouble for not paying their debt to our nation when I forked out 30 grand last year.

Or was this entire thread a joke?

Author: Guartz

It was a joke after I read that.

[Nystul]

You know, the tax thing is just such a load of shit.

Here's a challenge for you Guartz.

Explain, in fair detail, how the USA would function without taxes, say starting Jan 1 2009. Where will the money come from? Please frame your answer in the context of the real world, not an idealized concept of reality where people willingly and happily donate large sums of money to various organizations that aren't cute and friendly (like road construction etc).

It's easy to sit there and go "taxes suck!" and spout a lot of bullshit but you really have nothing to say if you can't provide a viable alternate solution that is better.

Good luck.

Extra credit: base your example on medieval iceland!!!!

[guartz]

Your also right in saying that people shouldnt be held responsible for using our nations social resources and benefits w/o paying for them. I sure as hell wouldnt want someone to be in trouble for not paying their debt to our nation when I forked out 30 grand last year.

Or was this entire thread a joke?

Yes, makes perfect sense. Somebody refuses to participate in our society, obviously the only solution is to send that person to prison, payed for by people who do participate.

[guartz]

You know, the tax thing is just such a load of shit.

Here's a challenge for you Guartz.

Explain, in fair detail, how the USA would function without taxes, say starting Jan 1 2009. Where will the money come from? Please frame your answer in the context of the real world, not an idealized concept of reality where people willingly and happily donate large sums of money to various organizations that aren't cute and friendly (like road construction etc).

It's easy to sit there and go "taxes suck!" and spout a lot of bullshit but you really have nothing to say if you can't provide a viable alternate solution that is better.

Good luck.

Extra credit: base your example on medieval iceland!!!!

I'd love to, but it's just as easy to sit there and say "WELL I can't figure out how to do it, so it must be a stupid idea".

Here is an assignment unto you, my friend, go to a library and pick out some books on anarchy.

Extra credit: The book is on anarcho-capitalism

[Correction]

Strike 1: FOX News
Strike 2: Nothing to do with 'the government structure.' A court of law issued an order. If the man had followed it he wouldn't have gotten into this situation. God forbid people take personal responsibility for their offspring.
Strike 3: Random anti-tax screed.

lolguartz. Back in classic form.

[guartz]

Strike 1: FOX News
Strike 2: Nothing to do with 'the government structure.' A court of law issued an order. If the man had followed it he wouldn't have gotten into this situation. God forbid people take personal responsibility for their offspring.
Strike 3: Random anti-tax screed.

lolguartz. Back in classic form.

Of course, fox must have made this up to piss people like me off. This story has no validity to it and is spinned for political purposes!

And court of law has nothing to do with the government. NOTHING.



I'll give you the anti-tax screed.

[Pamelita]

Your also right in saying that people shouldnt be held responsible for using our nations social resources and benefits w/o paying for them. I sure as hell wouldnt want someone to be in trouble for not paying their debt to our nation when I forked out 30 grand last year.

Or was this entire thread a joke?

Yes, makes perfect sense. Somebody refuses to participate in our society, obviously the only solution is to send that person to prison, payed for by people who do participate.

To re-think the jail principle is a different thing than to re-think our entire government structure. The purposeof the jail (which I have no real opinion on) is to rehabilitate (which rarely happens) people. So that when (if) they come out they DO become contributing members of society. And the penal system (lulz penis) is only a small part of our entire government structure; which is not be the best, but it seems to be working to at least apease the general population.

So yeah, stfu.


God, I can't stop laughing at this face.

[Heian]

Strike 1: FOX News
Strike 2: Nothing to do with 'the government structure.' A court of law issued an order. If the man had followed it he wouldn't have gotten into this situation. God forbid people take personal responsibility for their offspring.
Strike 3: Random anti-tax screed.

lolguartz. Back in classic form.

Of course, fox must have made this up to piss people like me off. This story has no validity to it and is spinned for political purposes!

And court of law has nothing to do with the government. NOTHING.



I'll give you the anti-tax screed.

Stop posting now and forever.

[Nystul]

Nice cop out. I'm not the one that brings up how taxes are stupid all the time. I'm not the one that constantly brings it up in topics that aren't even related to it.

The problem is that you CAN'T put together a way to make it work because it WON'T work without it. You can spout nonsense about anarchism (which is a self-defeating load of horseshit that only works as a concept)

Idealized concept: There is no ruler. Everyone obeys rules that are mutually agreed upon and there is no hierarchal government system

Reality: There is no such thing as a set of rules that will appeal to all people. Even if you did create such a set, it would require enforcement...without enforcement and such there are no rules. Enforcement requires some form of law- enforcers, courts etc. There should be rules of conduct for those people, which requires overseers. Oops, there goes a non-hierarchal setup. Of course there has to be people who decide on these rules, who put them together and set them up. Oh...LOOK! A FUCKING LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT! Hot damn. And naturally, all this needs to be funded...which comes in the form of taxes. The reality is that anarchism collapses on itself because human nature doesn't allow us to get along like that. Anarcho-capitalism is just as much of a joke.

They simply just don't fucking work because there are no controls. It's easy to say that the government being involved is a nuisance but REMOVING them would lead to hundreds of groups fighting for control.

[Alvinho]

I thought kids weren't even required to go to school once/if they were 16; or was that a state (FL) law?

[archibaldcrane]

Part of the problem with this is that while the father had primary custody, the daughter would still stay with the mother sometimes, which is when she would skip classes and such. The father being held solely responsible for her delinquency seems incongruous with the actual circumstances of her upbringing.

Also using the GED test as the barometer of her delinquency (especially when she passed everything but the math section) is spurious.

But the bottom line is - does throwing dad in jail for 6 months help his daughter's education? Or does it just fuck the family up more?

I don't see what good comes of this ruling.

[Correction]

Of course, fox must have made this up to piss people like me off. This story has no validity to it and is spinned for political purposes!

And court of law has nothing to do with the government. NOTHING.

For someone as suspicious of the government as your track record shows you to be, you're awfully gullible about short, ill-sourced stories on a conservative news trough of a website. The story is written with an emotional response in mind, that much is clear from vocabulary like 'adding insult to injury.' No statements were evidently taken from police or social workers, and the context of the deal he made with the judge isn't well-described. Congratulations, you've been manipulated by the media after hearing a very lopsided take on the events in question.

The rule of law is enforced by our courts system. And when a judge orders you to do something and you don't comply, they have every right to throw you in jail. Welcome to the law system of western civilization. This is not a good pretext to suggest the entire government should be overthrown.

[Beckwin]

Stupid verdict; obviously a publicity thing. Judge should be ashamed of himself.



But of course guartze has to unduly extend this into zany libertarian/anarchist ranting.