Jailer of Justice strat (well theres one for everything else!)

[Hogie]

Ok so since ive been reading all these Jailer strats, i have though i might as well open this thread up to listen to other strats about Justice. My linkshell generally manaburns the babies, but sometimes we run in to hickups and blms die or run out of mp or what not.

Lets here them, how do you kill Justice?


EDIT: I realize there is a Low Man Justice post but i want to hear what your normal set up Justice goes like.

[Wulfgang]

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/ffxi-...r-justice.html

4 BLM + Refresher
3 tanks for charm
1-2 healers
Melees

Should have 100% kill rate; can be done with less but that wasn't your question.

[Hogie]

What do Blms nuke and when? We normally wait for 2 babys and then have 2 blms ga3 them, but this never works nicely lol. How do your blms kill the babys?

[wop]

WoJ.
That's how some of my LS members low man this to maximize profit from selling torques to clients.

[amentis]

4 Blms, nuking in teams of two.

We usually do it like this.
Baby 1: Blm 1 casts tier III, Blm 2 casts tier IV right after (this avoids mijin).
Baby 2: Blm 2 casts tier III, Blm 1 casts tier IV right after
Baby 3: Blm 3 casts tier III, Blm 4 casts tier IV right after
Baby 4: Blm 4 casts tier III, Blm 3 casts tier IV right after

If your blms aren't retarded, this works astoundingly well. Just give 'em a bard and they'll be fine. We usually give a cor though, for healer's/evoker's. MP is almost never an issue.

Oh, obviously, team 1 rests while team 2 is nuking, and vice versa.

[Hogie]

WoJ.
That's how some of my LS members low man this to maximize profit from selling torques to clients.

ive thought about doing this many times, but isn't this a ban able / Gm able offense?

Also, is WoJ at E-8 or K-10?

[Kurt Cobain]

When we used BLMs for summon we had them use T3 on each, and when we were short BLMs we just zerged it with a BRD rotation, it uses Familiar first so noone gets charmed and it dies in 30-45 seconds with assorted melees

[Chojja]

4 blms
1 brd
1 cor

put blms in pairs and have one blm do a tier 3, other one do a tier 4. The babies will blow up if a tier 4 hits first, if the tier 3 hits first, then the tier 4 will finish it off. We put the blm PT outside the alliance regardless of how many we have, usually 13-14. They like the xp and it prevents accidently blow ups from hitting the main alliance.

Main group is 1 pld and a bunch of wars and sam/thfs. If you have decent melee, a brd or 2 and eye drops or good blindna mages, it will typically only get one shot to charm, always does Familiar first so a well timed Fealty absolves this fight of any worries at all. Just SATA the wars and pld. Usually about a 7-8 minute kill.

I see amentis already commented on the tier 3 > tier 4 thing.

[KoD]

We use Same Strat as Amentis
4BLMs 1Rdm + 1Brd With this BLMS Normaly never run out of Mp!

personily idk if this works but have heard of it:
THF/rdm outside Ally they let JoJustice Summon All Babys - THF uses powder boots diaga's Mobs run to Den!! Its Also ment to stop him use'ing Charm Again Idk if this really works but have heard of it also Saying this could but alot of strain to your Plds with 1-5mobs All Attacking them!

[Thorny]

We use Same Strat as Amentis
4BLMs 1Rdm + 1Brd With this BLMS Normaly never run out of Mp!

personily idk if this works but have heard of it:
THF/rdm outside Ally they let JoJustice Summon All Babys - THF uses powder boots diaga's Mobs run to Den!! Its Also ment to stop him use'ing Charm Again Idk if this really works but have heard of it also Saying this could but alot of strain to your Plds with 1-5mobs All Attacking them!

It doesn't really, I've tried a variation of this to see if it was possible to super tank the babies. Our idea was to have PLD/BLU pop so he has aggro hate only, keep him alive until all 6 babies pop. Obvious flaw: babies initial hate is on anyone in alliance at random. Second attempt at this strategy, PLD popped outside party and mages cured him while babies popped, it charmed him before all 6 were out. Third idea was to sac it while the rest popped then have paladin claim and disengage justice outside alliance then have main group claim it so the babies would all be on him with no hate and he could supertank, the babies assist one at a time about 45 seconds apart in this scenario.. most of them would just sit there doing nothing and one at a time joined fight after 45 seconds if that wasn't clear. He got charmed before they were all on him again, at this point we gave up on any method of supertanking without aegis as you need an initial claim on them to get them all on you at once and cures will get hate. An aegis PLD/RDM could likely hold them by themselves or with one BRD for the most part though, our PLD was taking next to no damage. As far as the strategy you mentioned, they run at flee speed both ways and as soon as the THF died they would head back to the alliance(on random targets..) and cause chaos. I concluded that it can't be done without the traditional 12 people, main party of 6 and 4 BLMs with support doing adds or wall of justice. If a proper method of supertanking them was found, I imagine it could be done with 8 people in a setup such as: PLD BRD(adds) RDM/WHM BRD/WHM COR/NIN WAR/NIN WAR/NIN WAR/NIN(main).. melee can tank it fine as elegy sticks easily, even the COR would likely not have a problem holding it if all 3 warriors were to be charmed.

[amentis]

The random alliance hate on Justice is so friggin annoying.

One time we were low on people, and just left the blms in the main ally... (ages ago) almost ended in cataclysm because I started getting tentacle raped by random babies. I didn't realize till later on that they'd just go after random peoples.

Now, the blm are always outside of ally. Always.

[Hogie]

So what i can see from most peoples response is they use BLMs (Tier3 -> Tier4) to kill babys, and then have a couple melee burn JoJ down?

2 Teams of 2 BLMs rotating Tier3->Tier4?


Do any groups do BLM's -ga to kill babys and JoJ at the same time?

[amentis]

I personally don't like that route, because there's the possibility of tagging a normal xzomit that floats around over there.

That, and if any of the babies survive the ga's, that means a mijin. Which won't kill, but can get annoying if a few of them go off.

[Drex]

Not to mention ga's are pretty expensive mp-wise in a fight where mp is sometimes hard to come by (depending on how many BLMs you have)

[Jtmoney2424]

Wow, you guys are all doing this the hard way. Just get 4 blm and just have a freeze 2 rotation. Even with no brd, you wont run out of mp ever because you will have about 2min to rest before your turn comes up again. As long your blm are decently equipped, they will one shot these pets easily.

[amentis]

I don't like it that way, because if there's a resist, you get mijin'ed. Resists are very rare, but even I get freak resists every so often, and I have pretty damn good gear.

If you do tier III > Tier IV, the thing WILL die, even if one person is resisted to hell. 0 Risk for minimal extra work.

[Hogie]

When you are doing it tier3->tier4 way, how many people to you put on JoJ to safely kill it before your tanks are all beating on your blms? tank, tank, dd, dd, brd whm or something enough?

[fishstix]

We used 2 parties on JoJ, a tank party with 2 plds, whm rdm brd, and dds/brd. Can probably go with less. I don't recall if it charmed multiple people close together. I know it can, but probably not often.

[Arthars]

IIIs x 2

after that it can mijin for < 100 damage np

[Nal]

ive thought about doing this many times, but isn't this a ban able / Gm able offense?

Also, is WoJ at E-8 or K-10?

Not a bannable offense , unless I've been really lucky. I've been selling torks using this for well over a year.

There are 2 Walls , one near Prudence and one near JHoe.
Both work , but obviously the wall near Hope is closer to Justice so you will want to use that one.