Enmity issues in einherjar?

[fosgate]

Last night in Einherjar, my co-tank and i were both dropping consistent 750 atonements. Both of our hate was capped, however i couldnt turn the mob for the life of me. I dropped an atonement for 750, sentinel'd, flashed and voked while the mob didnt bat an eyelash. I sat there spamming my cure 4 cheat macro with no success.

Not sure if this is normal? I usually have no issues holding hate on pally. Seems as though the DD's were capping hate as well and not losing any. Even a mule brd who was singing only ballad got worked.

Anyone else experience this?

[Callisto]

Was it a boss or are you just talking regular mobs?

[fosgate]

Only noticed on the reg mobs cause we all 2'hr'd the manticore. It was single bats that were acting up. hate everywhere

[Chen]

was going to say we had a manticore boss that was behaving oddly, as for normal mobs we've had no issues

you have 2 PLDs who are capping hate on every mob? (and ws'ing on each?)

[Cream Soda]

lol at pld holding hate on shit people can actually dmg worth a fuck. Maybe some high ass defense mob where My ws does 300 dmg, but when I'm busting 1k+ pentas w/ a 5hit build, on mobs that last less than 30 seconds, gl holding hate off that in ejar.

[NynJa]

was going to say we had a manticore boss that was behaving oddly, as for normal mobs we've had no issues

you have 2 PLDs who are capping hate on every mob? (and ws'ing on each?)

First time in einherjar? If your pld's are actually able to 'spam atonement' on 'every mob', you're killing realllllllllly slow.

Secondly, you might want to look up on wiki the boss you're fighting, before you go "manticore boss is behaving oddly".

[Chen]

w t f are you talking about?

i'm obviously questioning him, and the post was about enmity, we had enmity issues on the manitcore boss... (it hitting WHMs who've done nearly nothing, when it's at 50% HP after about 30secs)

i'm the only puller & PLD in our shell and the only time I try to build hate anywhere higher than to cover sleepgas cast by BLM is if it's the last mob pre-boss. and in those cases i'm only getting around 300-500 atonements (if i even get a WS off)

[rog]

There's no way you're capping ce on mobs that should be dying in 30-45 seconds max.

[fosgate]

We only entered with 17... Mostly mages. It was our first run. We didnt have much DD power, so the bats took a while to kill. (hence why we were capping hate)

We know we were capping hate cause atonements were holding at 750. It just seemed as though nobody in the zone had any hate decay.

I'm not sure if my co-tank was ws'ing every mob, but i was. 750 every time. Never varied. I hold my TP till i've gained enough VE... CE is harder to gauge by eye. I usually cap my CE after a ws or two.

[rog]

You don't need capped hate to cap your atonements...

[Neoex]

There's no way you're capping ce on mobs that should be dying in 10-20 seconds max.

ftfy

[Dammerung]

w t f are you talking about?

i'm obviously questioning him, and the post was about enmity, we had enmity issues on the manitcore boss... (it hitting WHMs who've done nearly nothing, when it's at 50% HP after about 30secs)

i'm the only puller & PLD in our shell and the only time I try to build hate anywhere higher than to cover sleepgas cast by BLM is if it's the last mob pre-boss. and in those cases i'm only getting around 300-500 atonements (if i even get a WS off)

Welcome to Einherjar, some bosses ignore enmity rules.

We only entered with 17... Mostly mages. It was our first run. We didnt have much DD power, so the bats took a while to kill. (hence why we were capping hate)

We know we were capping hate cause atonements were holding at 750. It just seemed as though nobody in the zone had any hate decay.

I'm not sure if my co-tank was ws'ing every mob, but i was. 750 every time. Never varied. I hold my TP till i've gained enough VE... CE is harder to gauge by eye. I usually cap my CE after a ws or two.

You have 2 PLDs in a run with 17, and you wonder why stuff dies slow.

[Chen]

ok that makes more sense now, the low numbers.

you still don't really have a hope of holding hate on mobs which die so fast, would be like trying to keep hate in a meripo as PLD/BLM, or whichever sub you use

[rog]

ftfy

Probably, but 30-45 is the absolute longest it should ever possibly take, such as with like 12-18 people, or if everyone sucks, with no brds, etc.

[Neoex]

We only entered with 17... Mostly mages. It was our first run. We didnt have much DD power, so the bats took a while to kill. (hence why we were capping hate)

We know we were capping hate cause atonements were holding at 750. It just seemed as though nobody in the zone had any hate decay.

I'm not sure if my co-tank was ws'ing every mob, but i was. 750 every time. Never varied. I hold my TP till i've gained enough VE... CE is harder to gauge by eye. I usually cap my CE after a ws or two.

with 17 your best bet is to build
2x merit party(with bards)
1x blm party(with bard

[Chen]

Welcome to Einherjar, some bosses ignore enmity rules.

do you know any other bosses like that? we've killed i'm sure every boss a couple of times each. we lost a couple of secs of dmg because the boss ran to the WHMs, would be nice to know on which this can happen

[rog]

I usually cap my CE after a ws or two.

That's not even remotely possible.

[Aihree]

Both Manticore and Buffalo will randomly lock hate on random people.

Typically they will choose the one who it is most inconvenient for everyone else, rushing off with +movement to kill a mule at the start of the zone while leaving everyone in their dust.

[Airenn]

I usually have no issues holding hate on pally in einherjar.

no issues holding hate on pally in einherjar.

on pally in einherjar.

on pally

There's the problem.

[fosgate]

That's not even remotely possible.

Its entirely possible. You could cap CE without weapon skilling at all. Perhaps i am misleading when i say "capping CE" as far as it relates to atonement, i hit the 325 mark very easily. apologies.

(pausing for a moment to let E-Peen's settle down)

This is my point... shit wasnt normal....750 every atonement... brd's singing ballad getting whacked.....

Either the single bats were messed up... or our hate in the zone was messed up. One of the 2. I dont count the boss cause with everyone using 2hr.