Slow on mobs does NOT cap at 100%

[Kirschy]

I feel crappy making a thread for this, but it's been circulating that Slow from magical sources caps at 100% on mobs. This would mean that Saboteur + Slow II + Elegy caps at 100% slow. This is NOT true.

I ran a very basic FRAPS test to check this. For those unfamiliar with my methods, I use fraps to record a mob's attack animations over a variety of attack rounds and get an average delay in frames. The accuracy is not precise enough to get into x/1024th detail like I can /w recasts, but it's enough to make general observations.

Mob used was a Zu outside Abyssea-Attowah.

Control Test:
10 Attack Rounds: 1223 Frames
Average Delay: 122.3 Frames (~4.08s)

Saboteur Slow II + Carnage Elegy:
10 Attack Rounds: 2654 Frames
Average Delay: 265.4 Frames (~8.85s)

265.4/122.3 = ~2.17 (117% Slow)


It seems fairly conclusive that the slow term does not cap at 100% for mobs~

[Dooom]

So basically, slow2 merits beyond the first are undoubtedly worthwhile?

edit - and as always, big thanks. This is pretty hot info.

[Kilik]

Bring on Massacre Elegy!

[Thorny]

Very interesting, is this the first case of a player cap being better off than the mob's equivalent?

[Cream Soda]

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[lolwut]

Wow, you're on a roll lately. I like Kirshy more than I like taffy. And I'm a man who loves his taffy. Mmmmmmmmmm.....

[rog]

So basically, slow2 merits beyond the first are undoubtedly worthwhile?

Having more than 110% slow is a bit less than worthwhile.

[shepardG]

I don’t understand ... :/...

(See what I did there?)....?

Cause i'm slow?...see? Its funnie...
Master of wit here guys. ... thanks again K^ ^

[Foldypaws]

This contradicts my prior testing.

I need to go out and do it again, to see if they changed Sabateur, because I *know* In my prior testing (pre-sabateur alteration, when it worked on Bio and didn't work on gravity), I was getting attacked exactly half as often with Sab Slow II + Carnage Elegy as I was at base.

[Kirschy]

This contradicts my prior testing.

I need to go out and do it again, to see if they changed Sabateur, because I *know* In my prior testing (pre-sabateur alteration, when it worked on Bio and didn't work on gravity), I was getting attacked exactly half as often with Sab Slow II + Carnage Elegy as I was at base.

I tested twice, and the difference between 100% and 117% is substantial so I'm fairly confident in the results. I haven't seen your testing or results so I apologize in advance if I sound condescending, but did you use a high number of attack rounds? I imagine it'd be easy to miss otherwise. I used 10 attack rounds for my testing which gave 1223 frames total over 10 attacks, which is about ~40.77s. This would mean ~81.54s if the cap was 100% slow. My Sabo+Slow II/Elegy showed 2654 frames total over 10 attacks, which is about 88.47s. ~7s difference between that and the expected 100%. All that aside I never bothered to test it until this morning, so it's quite possible SE just changed Sabo.

[FailureMidgard]

Having more than 110% slow is a bit less than worthwhile.

Right about in-line with denying the mob 1 extra swing per 30minutes for an extra para merit.

[Foldypaws]

I tested twice, and the difference between 100% and 117% is substantial so I'm fairly confident in the results. I haven't seen your testing or results so I apologize in advance if I sound condescending, but did you use a high number of attack rounds?

I used the entire duration of Sab Slow II + Troubador Elegy, so 6 minutes worth of attacks.

I'm doing it again right now, so we'll see if they changed it.

[Sylvrdragon]

The next logical step is to get a RDM with ridiculously high MND and a decked out BRD to Soul Voice that Elegy and see if there IS a cap and where it might be.

[rog]

Right about in-line with denying the mob 1 extra swing per 30minutes for an extra para merit.

Not that either are worth a whole lot~

[Foldypaws]

The next logical step is to get a RDM with ridiculously high MND and a decked out BRD to Soul Voice that Elegy and see if there IS a cap and wjere it might be.

Soul Voice doesn't increase potency on Elegy.

[Byrthnoth]

and and MND caps low enough that anyone should be able to hit it on testing mobs. The real next step is to Earth shot some shit.

[Kirschy]

The next logical step is to get a RDM with ridiculously high MND and a decked out BRD to Soul Voice that Elegy and see if there IS a cap and where it might be.

Like Foldy said, SV doesn't increase Carnage Elegy's potency. The test I ran was on weak mobs, so dMND was capped on Slow II, but she only has 1 merit in the spell. 4 merits and assuming 2x potency from sabo would mean ~8% more slow. So you should see around ~125% slow on the mob in capped conditions.

[Kirschy]

and and MND caps low enough that anyone should be able to hit it on testing mobs. The real next step is to Earth shot some shit.

I was under the impression earth shot didn't work on Slow II, only slow I? One of the many things I never got around to being able to test

[Foldypaws]

No debuffs: Savana Rarab gets 85 attacks in 6 min (old) 86 attacks (new)

Old test: 42 attacks in 6m w/ Sab Slow II + Elegy. ~100% slow

New test: 38 attacks in 6m w Sab Slow II + Elegy. ~126% Slow

So yeah, they changed Sabateur. Which is nice, as now I don't actually need to drop down to 1 merit on it (am 5/5 atm).

Edit: went back to double check, miscounted by one.

[Dooom]

Not that either are worth a whole lot~

True, but this should be the final nail for anyone who was thinking about meriting something like bio3 after unlocking para2, slow2, and putting a couple of upgrades into dia3. Still a pretty small increase, but at least now we know it's an increase.