Dexter S5 question (spoilers)

[Ryko]

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Okay so the cops find out that dan the dentist is one of the serial rapists/torturers/killers and suspect that his death was staged by the "vigilantes"...

Am I the only one who is wondering why they forgot that the supposedly staged death involved A WHOLE OTHER MAN STRANGLED TO DEATH? Why did he not come back up like... at all? I mean yeah obv his prints or dna wasn't involved but that should raise even more questions as to why he was dead at the scene too...

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

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It was an implied sex crime scene. The gay guy was wrapped in tarp and Matsuka was talking about strangulation. I think they just assumed Dan the Dentist was a pervert. I don't remember them bringing up his specific death was anything to do with the vigilantes, he wasn't mentioned again until they found out he was part of Jordan Chases OG crew. Will have to rewatch to be sure

[Ryko]

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Well deb went to her office to talk to the wife and stated that she thought the death was staged and that her husband wasn't gay at all. That combined with her vigilante theory would still create a huge hole in the whole dead guy strangled in a tarp problem. Like if the guy's dna was found or something then she'd have had more proof of her vigilante theory but all in all I wonder how they find the death suspicious but the other dead dude is understandable...

[Qalbert]

lot of plotholes/dex being clumsy and/or leaving a trail, which you can either let bother you, or do your best to ignore. this season has probably been the worst on that front though

[Blarg]

dick move derock, dick move

[Ryko]

Eh I dont mind him being clumsy/getting back into the swing of things/etc. I mean I'm all about MST3King the fuck out of some plot holes but that one just smacked the fuck out of me.

[Qalbert]

i mean if i were to list some of the things I can think of off the top of my head

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the ruining of dvd 13, there's no way that looked anything but intentional, not to mention, did he conveniently have the same brand of dvd lying around?
if i'm not mistaken he threw the surveillance stuff into the harbor right by liddy, and idk if it's just me being an armchair guy, but I would think that at a crimescene where it looks like surveillance had been stolen, they would search nearby places, and information could be recovered.
stealing a car from near liddy's crimescene and crashing it at camp jordan, as mentioned in the thread.
asking the records office about Greer's holdings, also shamelessly stolen form the thread
and so on

[Mertron]

yeah, and whats the deal with airline food

[#686578]

I would have to rewatch the season but I'm fairly sure Deb said that she assumed that was the work of the vigilante as well

[#686578]

the ruining of dvd 13, there's no way that looked anything but intentional,

This one requires the most leap of faith imo. I dont remember the exact situation they found the DVDs, I'm pretty sure they found them mixed in with the security guy's stuff somewhere. They could've assumed #13 was covering her own tracks. Wanted to give them enough information that he was into some deep shit without implicating herself.

not to mention, did he conveniently have the same brand of dvd lying around?

Like you wouldnt be able to just find the same brand of DVD easily

If i'm not mistaken he threw the surveillance stuff into the harbor right by liddy, and idk if it's just me being an armchair guy, but I would think that at a crimescene where it looks like surveillance had been stolen, they would search nearby places, and information could be recovered.

We've only seen up to one day (a couple of days? Harrisons party was real close) after that, and we didnt even see the entire scene. There's time for them to still find more evidence/reveal that they found more evidence in the start of the next season. Could easily have been left out for the feelgoodending and used as a catalyst to start the next season like how in season 2 we immediately have the FBI on our nuts etc.

stealing a car from near liddy's crimescene and crashing it at camp jordan, as mentioned in the thread.

Same as previous

For the last two we dont know if they're plot holes until the next season or not, they very well could end up that way for sure, but right now we're only a couple days after the fact.

[Qalbert]

it looked like he jsut picked up a random dvd from his desk or something, although I may be mistaken

[#686578]

Are there other brands of CD besides generic and memorex?

It's not like it was a colored CD, but it's one of the smallest things to pick up on.

[Qalbert]

yeah but they're detectives, it's their job to pick up on it, lol
obviously i'm just nitpicking and i'm not gonna be one of those OMGPLOTHLE IS SUCK NOW fags

[Blarg]

no qalbert, they are ACTORS, playing detectives

[Qalbert]

i thought it was a documentary

[Blarg]

Seasons 1-4 were real but not this season.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

Even if it was a different DVD, do you really think Matsuka would have suspected someone in the PD replaced it? Put yourself in his shoes, at work, blissfully unaware of the plot that we are being presented. He picks up DVD 13, pops it in, it doesn't work. Pops it out, scratches, oh different DVD that's weird. What is he going to do? Why would his mind drift to anyone he works with much less Dexter?

Cinema science is fun when you know everything thats going on, but if you were Matsuka you wouldn't think twice about so it's really a moot point. The worst they would think is "oh the vigilante girl broke in and stole her DVD to cover her tracks." End of story. Not sure why minute details like this are considered plot holes.

[#686578]

Are we talking about different DVDs as in the thirteen different from the other 12 or different as in "I checked these into evidence and now it's different"

If it's the first, I dont think anyone would suspect that the thirteenth was different. The last, of course someone would suspect, but I dont think Masuka was the one that checked them into evidence was he?

[Qalbert]

I'm not even calling it a plot hole, just saying the whole scratching up a replacement dvd stood out as a bit sloppy on Dexter's part

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

The argument everyone is presenting is a different brand. Like "oh how did Dexter get the same DVD as the evidence". The second case you make holds water until I think that they were all in jewel cases and had a blank cover on them or a cover that said 13, then that solves that in my mind. There's also thinking Matsuka didn't checking them in. I can subscribe pretty well to suspension of disbelief when it comes to details like that, I'm a bit more interested in screen time being used to move the plot forward and see excite than I am about explaining away small details.

The dead body up close is a pretty wtf but if you pull away they've got this supposed vigilante killing people and one of the rapists has his pants down with another man in what looks like sado-machist sex play, it's not a far stretch to write it off. Even if they do investigate the other mans murder as separate what would they come up with? They couldn't tie it to Dexter and they don't know who 13 is, it's a cold case. Again it's one of those details that again if you're in the thick of the story unaware of the events we acknowledge as the viewer who is going to say "Well Dexter was right here that's fishy...." Not his sister, not his lab partner, not officer #2.

The real question is why that cute little spanish cop with the badonk went all Judy Winslow in the last few episodes.