SAM Meikyo Shisui Idea

[Genosync]

Well, I was bored while I wasn't playing the game and decided I'd analyze SAM a bit more, since the job really started making me want to play it.

I figured that since they can do a self-Lv3 SC, why couldn't they do a Lv1 > Lv2 > Lv3 by utilitzing Meikyo and TP beforehand?

So I took the lil' Renkei calculator and my brain and started to piece things together. I came up with this:

Tachi: Yukikaze -  Block 1: Ice          Block 2: Wind          Block 3: Dark

Tachi: Kasha - Block 1: Fusion              Block 2: Dark

Tachi: Jinpu - Block 1: Wind                 Block 2: Earth

Tachi: Gekko - Block 1: Distortion             Block 2: Water

That is the order in which you should do the WSes, as well. Quick analytical work:

SC1: Compression:
Proof:
Ice+Fusion = nothing
Ice+Dark = nothing
Wind+Fusion = nothing
Wind+Dark = nothing
Dark+Fusion = nothing
Dark+Dark = Compression

Compression is the only SC possible with the elements contained in the two WS. NEXT~

SC2: Gravitation

This works in two ways, which really makes me think this will work and puts the puzzle together.

Not only do you have Compression > Tachi: Jinpu, you also have Tachi: Kasha > Tachi: Jinpu, which both should make Gravitation.

Compression (Dark) + Tachi: Jinpu (Wind/Earth)
Dark+Wind = nothing
Dark+Earth = Gravitation

Tachi: Kasha (Fusion/Dark) + Tachi: Jinpu (Wind/Earth)
Fusion+Wind = nothing
Fusion+Earth = nothing
Dark+Wind = nothing
Dark+Earth = Gravitation

That is the only reason why I'm 100% sure this will work properly. If they didn't both chain like that, I would be a bit skeptical of this working.

Finally, Gravitation + Tachi: Gekko = Darkness. That's a no brainer--and if you need an explaination, you probably don't understand anything else I posted anyway.

Discuss. And if someone's willing to try this out to make sure that it does do Compression > Gravitation > Darkness, please do.

[Raiko]

Dont ppl already do this cept with light..?

[Genosync]

It's not built up as much.

People do Fragmentation > Tachi: Kasha... I forgot what WS had a Thunder block at the moment, and I'm at work.

It's probably Yuki > something > Kasha, Maybe Yuki > Gekko > Kasha. Based on the fact of how Split Shot/Slug Shot plays after Yuki for Frag, and has Water block, it probably works the same way.

This is a built-up self SC from Lv1 > 2 > 3 allowing for probably a 200% DMG effect.

[Enitsu]

Yeah, people do already do this. So.. yeah. It's not a secret.

[Genosync]

They do a build-up exactly like this?

Damn. =/

Oh well, it's still pretty cool if you haven't thought about it. And giving people information about Element Blocks in WSes probably might spark their interests a little bit more in learning how shit works and why it works.

[Elcura]

Self light is no brainer, Yuki > gekko > Kasha

Self darkness is I think, Yuki > Kasha > Gekko

I dunno if it's possible, but if you could meditate with 100 TP already (with AF/2 enhances) then do WS would you be able to get enough tp fast enough to do another WS that works?

If you could it'd be really cool to do
100% > Meditate > WS > (hopefully 100% tp in time to SC) WS > Icarus Wing > WS > Meikyo Shusiu > WS > WS > WS

If you had a lvl 5 relic Gkatana you could do Yuki > Gekko > Kasha > Kaiten > Kaiten > Kaiten lol

[Hirronimus]

Isn't there a time penalty after using a med?

[Maguspk]

Yup, assuming you're talking about Icarus Wing, it's 2 hours

[Hirronimus]

No no, I meant to use ability or spell after you used a med. I've noticed there's at least 5-10 secs penalty after using Ethers/Potions on use of Ability/Spell. Is it same with all other meds?

[Elcura]

Not really, i've done burning blade > ica wing > flat blade before, this was a while ago so I dunno if update has changed it or not.

I've also seen a video of a mithra whm doing hexa > black halo then bursting cure V (doneon a lich) with cool techno music in the bg.

It takes a little practice and you need quite a few macros (seperated) to pull it off.

[Onizuka]

My friend did Spinning slash> iq wing> Cross reaper = Distortion> MB Bio2 for maat, i decided just to do 2 SS and i got the fastest drk time on his ass and my time was faster than mnk and drg too w00t.


A Sam i was pting with in kufal(tigers) was trying to self SC with Meditate but never got a SC cause it was too late. I think you should wait right before your about to swing then Meditate WS after that you should hit right away and tp right away speeding up the tp to 100. I wanna see WS meditate WS iq wing WS 2hr WS WS WS..hmm nice i want them all SA too lol.

[Demetrio$]

editedlolz

[Onizuka]

Perhaps now after patch you could do it with a Soboro Sukehiro(Occasionally attacks 2-3 times) GKT, low damage albeit fast TP.

edit; spelling

I forgot about that GK like sam's need anything more to help them with tp......no love for drk's /sigh

[Elcura]

Another thing you could do (pre rng nerf) was barrage for TP as well, although this might be a rng onry thing, dunno if sam/rng could've pulled off a barrage that gave back near (or full) tp.

[Septimus]

Perhaps now after patch you could do it with a Soboro Sukehiro(Occasionally attacks 2-3 times) GKT, low damage albeit fast TP.

edit; spelling

I forgot about that GK like sam's need anything more to help them with tp......no love for drk's /sigh

Tactical Ring Rare/EX
Lv.61 DRK Enchantment: TP Regen

[Hirronimus]

Mercurial Great Sword. lol

[Octavious]

Sanation Ring R/EX
Lv61 RDM
Enchantment: Healed MP+3

/dies

[layoneil]

Another thing you could do (pre rng nerf) was barrage for TP as well, although this might be a rng onry thing, dunno if sam/rng could've pulled off a barrage that gave back near (or full) tp.

you can Barrage for a load of TP on SAM but you need a Ranged Accuracy build and most people are not going to do that after the Range Nerf.

some people have also been doing solo Lv 3 SC with no Icarus, no 2 hour, /DRG

[Septimus]

And don't forget

Martial Sword
Lv.72 WAR/PLD/DRK
DMG:76 Delay:444 TP Bonus

and

Martial Scythe
Lv.72 DRK
DMG:92 Delay:528 TP Bonus

[Pompom]

Tachi: Enpi > Meikyo Shisui > Tachi: Gekko = Reverberation > Meditate > Tachi: Yukikaze = Induration > Tachi: Gekko = Fragmentation > Tachi: Kasha = Light

(edited in meikyo and meditate during that chain)