E bow has no cap?

[ringthree]

Just read this on the Wiki about the E/V Bow:

Apparently is the only bow without a Ranged Attack cap. Verification Needed

Please to be explaining?

[Eaglestrike]

Sounds like a rumor started to make E.Bow even more of an e-peen item. No item (that I'm aware of) has been found to have no attack cap in the game, E.Bow being the only one in the game to have this seems very unlikely.

[Spekkio]

the upside to wikis is that new information comes to light quickly and can be easily corrected.
the downside: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Foxt ... ipedia.jpg

[VZX]

removed

and obligatory "not this no cap shit again" from me

[Sonomaa]

the only bow better than ebow is relic bow, while it doesnt support the uncapped claim, it doesnt exactly mark it as impossible

and now, you gendawa+1 and selenes bow people, ebow is better

[Undeadhunter]

the only bow better than ebow is relic bow, while it doesnt support the uncapped claim, it doesnt exactly mark it as impossible

and now, you gendawa+1 and selenes bow people, ebow is better

sbow is cheaper ^^ (gendawaw+1 isnt tho)

[BRP]

"not this no cap shit again"

[Dammerung]

the only bow better than ebow is relic bow, while it doesnt support the uncapped claim, it doesnt exactly mark it as impossible

and now, you gendawa+1 and selenes bow people, ebow is better

sbow is cheaper ^^ (gendawaw+1 isnt tho)

Costs carrots to pop that rabbit, camping a shadow for a r/ex drop is free

[Carnusty]

the only bow better than ebow is relic bow, while it doesnt support the uncapped claim, it doesnt exactly mark it as impossible

and now, you gendawa+1 and selenes bow people, ebow is better

sbow is cheaper ^^ (gendawaw+1 isnt tho)

Costs carrots to pop that rabbit, camping a shadow for a r/ex drop is free

It took me 6 carrots to spawn that rabbit, so that bow cost me 500 gil. :D :D :D :D :D

And like all rangers out there, we all know Ebow's much better. Personally, I don't want to spend -that- much money or spend -that- much time getting a bow that's only going to marginally improve my performance in EXP. Since I have Obow, and plan to spam that in merit (And if I use Ranger in zerg, I'll be bringing culverin), the price for Ebow isn't justified in my mind.

[vegetaa]

Many people still swear that Gendawa +1 has no dmg cap, but I never heard or read that for EBow.

[razorcat]

I have both bows. I'm thinking that the price of E.Bow isn't really justified as well.

I haven't done much testing (only 1 xp PT so far on Colibri's) but it feels as if both bows are pretty equal. I notice a slightly higher damage per arrow with S.Bow but I attribute that to the moon phase favoring the R.attack mod. The difference in damages is usually less than 10 damage. I can imagine when the moon phase favors the R.acc mod, the E.Bow damage will win out.

The rate of fire difference and subsequent DOT also feels pretty equal. I always try to maintain a 90% or higher accuracy rate when using either bow. To me, it allows at least some sort of comparison with overall damage without having to worry about missing. Equipment is pretty much the same so in my opinion, what I'm comparing is just pure damage between the two bows.

[vegetaa]

I have both bows. I'm thinking that the price of E.Bow isn't really justified as well.

I haven't done much testing (only 1 xp PT so far on Colibri's) but it feels

That's where people will most likely stop reading.

Parse it, and you'll see why ppl say that EBow is noticeablybetter than SBow, no matter the moon phases.

[Sonomaa]

if cost isnt an option, then e/v is best, if cost is an option, S bow is better, V bow is best

I take pride in my ebow, my first was taken from me, my second was sold to me at a very very very deep discount by a good friend, so I will always swear by my meowtwo and only relic could ever replace it for me

[limbuscat]

I have both bows. I'm thinking that the price of E.Bow isn't really justified as well.

I haven't done much testing (only 1 xp PT so far on Colibri's) but it feels

That's where people will most likely stop reading.

Parse it, and you'll see why ppl say that EBow is noticeablybetter than SBow, no matter the moon phases.

Nah... only those who believe themselves to be high and mighty will stop there. I certainly read on to see what he has to say. I too have both bows. E.Bow does win out in a parse but the differences that I see between E.Bow and S.Bow is negligible in some situations while pretty significant in others.

But as Sonoma says, if cost is an issue, S.Bow > E.Bow. If it isn't than E.Bow is definitely better.

[vegetaa]

I have both bows. I'm thinking that the price of E.Bow isn't really justified as well.

I haven't done much testing (only 1 xp PT so far on Colibri's) but it feels

That's where people will most likely stop reading.

Parse it, and you'll see why ppl say that EBow is noticeablybetter than SBow, no matter the moon phases.

Nah... only those who believe themselves to be high and mighty will stop there. I certainly read on to see what he has to say. I too have both bows. E.Bow does win out in a parse but the differences that I see between E.Bow and S.Bow is negligible in some situations while pretty significant in others.

It's not a matter of being high and mighty. It's a matter of not being able to compute the damage you deal in the length of an exp party, with your brain. The numbers that make people feel that X weapon is better than Y weapon, usually aren't meaningfull. Using a parser is the best (and only) way to know for sure, because it records each one of your hits, and compute high/low/average numbers that are realistic.

But as Sonoma says, if cost is an issue, S.Bow > E.Bow. If it isn't than E.Bow is definitely better.

Vali's Bow is free though, which is part of Sonomaa's point, too. Yep, you don't even need to buy carrots ^^v

[Zilong]

But as Sonoma says, if cost is an issue, S.Bow > E.Bow. If it isn't than E.Bow is definitely better.

Vali's Bow is free though, which is part of Sonomaa's point, too. Yep, you don't even need to buy carrots ^^v

Good fucking god, you're trying to argue the opportunity cost of a 18+ hours NM vs ~20-30 min per pop NM on full/new moon?

[Minions]

But as Sonoma says, if cost is an issue, S.Bow > E.Bow. If it isn't than E.Bow is definitely better.

Vali's Bow is free though, which is part of Sonomaa's point, too. Yep, you don't even need to buy carrots ^^v

Good fucking god, you're trying to argue the opportunity cost of a 18+ hours NM vs ~20-30 min per pop NM on full/new moon?

With the freaking drop rate of a kc.... 0/8 all time I think....

[VZX]

So topic derailed now?

While SBow drop rate can go over 1/20 ( like my friend have), at least you can go pop another rabbit in 15 minutes within 6-7 game days. That's a lot of popping you can do. Eastern Shadow? I think camping this guy is the biggest time waste I ever had in my life. Waiting the NM pop in 8 hours window (probably more) is not fun at all.

I'll religiously camp ES once they decided to make pop NM

[toqabowl]

I'll religiously camp ES once they decided to make pop NM

or if they fix his window so it isnt 16-24(+) hrs between spawns

[limbuscat]

I have both bows. I'm thinking that the price of E.Bow isn't really justified as well.

I haven't done much testing (only 1 xp PT so far on Colibri's) but it feels

That's where people will most likely stop reading.

Parse it, and you'll see why ppl say that EBow is noticeablybetter than SBow, no matter the moon phases.

Nah... only those who believe themselves to be high and mighty will stop there. I certainly read on to see what he has to say. I too have both bows. E.Bow does win out in a parse but the differences that I see between E.Bow and S.Bow is negligible in some situations while pretty significant in others.

It's not a matter of being high and mighty. It's a matter of not being able to compute the damage you deal in the length of an exp party, with your brain. The numbers that make people feel that X weapon is better than Y weapon, usually aren't meaningfull. Using a parser is the best (and only) way to know for sure, because it records each one of your hits, and compute high/low/average numbers that are realistic.

But as Sonoma says, if cost is an issue, S.Bow > E.Bow. If it isn't than E.Bow is definitely better.

Vali's Bow is free though, which is part of Sonomaa's point, too. Yep, you don't even need to buy carrots ^^v

I can't say much regarding Razorcat's testing (ie. did he use a parser as well? etc).

But I can certainly tell you that after so many jobs and experience with 55+/60+ levels of RNG xp, the numbers that get parsed usually coincides with the gut feelings that I get.

For example, I can tell you that when I first started using Demon arrows, they felt similar in damage to Scorps. After parsing, I can definitively tell you that the Demons put up slightly higher avg damage/shot but the trade off is what seems like 2x or 3x the cost for me to make. However, I did noticed a big difference in WS and Barrage numbers between these two types of bows. Subsequently, I will use Scorp arrows then swap in Demon arrows for barrage/WS. My damage hasn't been too compromised vs other RNGs.

In my opinion its not safe to assume anything that Razorcat did. He may have parsed both bows but from whatever circumstances and reasoning he has, his conclusion is that he "feels the cost of E.Bow is not justified." Why? Because in his opinion, the S.Bow does roughly the same amount of damage as E.Bow during certain moon phases. Although I can't say for certain, I'm sure the cost of E.Bow is a big factor in his conclusion.