Appropriate Gear for raging Rush,Rampage & Dancing Edge

[Drunknmunky]

Hello everyone

My question to all is what is the appropriate gear for raging rush and rampage?

My 2nd question would be is there certain gears I need to obtain from sky, sea, salvage and Einherjar to improve raging rush and rampage damage?

Thief questions.

My thief is currently 75. I was wondering how to improve Dancing Edge and gear?

Do I need to start focusing on Limbus, sky and assaults missions as well?

A list of gears name would be appreciated.

Thank you everyone.

[Stinky]

Well first let me say that I'm a taru. As such, my WS gear selections are a bit different than what some other races would use. Also, my LS doesn't spend too much time in sky these days and I didn't have THF leveled back when we did it a lot. Therefore, I don't have lots of heca pieces either, but I would use them if I did. I must say though, as strange as a few of these items may seem, I parse extremely well. I've done extensive parsing on Colibri and I do pretty well for myself damage-wise. The best I've ever seen on Dancing Edge is about 1600. Average is more like 900-1150 range.

head Hecatomb Cap
neck Spike Necklace
ear1 Pixie Earring
ear2 Brutal Earring
body Dragon Harness
hands Rogue's armlets
ring1 Thunder Ring
ring2 Thunder Ring
back Cerberus Mantle
waist Warwolf Belt
legs Dragon Subligar
feet Dragon Leggings


Just for the heck of it, this is my TP gear. Notably lacking Homam legs and body.

main Azoth
sub Blau Dolch
ammo Fire bomblet
head Walahra Turban
neck Chivalrous Chain
ear1 Brutal Earring
ear2 Suppanomimi
body Pln. Khazagand
hands Homam Manopolas
ring1 Sniper's Ring
ring2 Jaeger Ring
back Cerberus Mantle
waist Swift Belt
legs Dragon Subligar
input /equip feet "Homam Gambieras";

[Aurara]

this is pretty much my THF ws gear:
MainX's/sub blau/ranged:bomb core
head:af2/Love torque/Brutal/Hollow/Dragon Harness(hecatomb for evi)
Rajas/Ulth/heca hands/Amemet+1/werewolf/Heca feet

[Oulanbator]

My question to all is what is the appropriate gear for raging rush and rampage?

My 2nd question would be is there certain gears I need to obtain from sky, sea, salvage and Einherjar to improve raging rush and rampage damage?

For Raging Rush and Rampage, you want Str gear and Acc gear ( some atk maybe).
The best Str and Acc items comes from various end-game events. You listed some above. You will not need items from these places to have appropriate gear, but gear from these places will make you stronger.
I personally don't really work on War, I have really basic Ws gear ( like almost always the last item of the list) and my Raging Rushes are clearly destroying all other melees at mammols... I can't imagine what would happen if I had the items at the top of the following list.

Head: Hecatomb cap ( fafnir, einherjar) > Sipahi (AH)
Neck: Soil/snow gorget ( sea) > accuracy neck ( AH)
Ears: Brutal earring ( limbus) > triumph earring (AH) > atk earring (AH)
Body: Adaberk ( Nidhogg/einherhar) > Ares ( Salvage) = Valkyrie ( einherjar) = Heca ( sky) > Haubergeon (AH)
Hands: Hecatomb hands (sky) > Alky (AH) > Pallas ( AH)
Rings: Str or acc rings (AH)
Back: Foragers ( AH) > Amemet +1 (AH)
Waist: Warrior's stone ( dyna) > Warwolf belt (AH) = Potent belt ( AH)
Legs: Ares (salvage) > stuff from AH
Feet: Hecatomb ( sky) > Rutter

the "=" means should give more or less the same results. Haven't tested everything and I probably won't

[Calina]

for thf this is what i used for DE

Weapon: Blau dolch + Misericorde +1
Ranged: Bomb core
Head: Hecatomb cap
Neck: Love torque
Ears: hollow earring + Minuet Earring(was never around when KB got killed lol)
Body: Dragon harness
Hands: Hecatomb hands
Rings: rajas + adroit ring
Back: Foragers
Waist: warwolf belt
Legs: Dragon subligar +1
Feet: Hecatomb feet

thats for meriting and normal stuff for Fafhogg i would stack on tones of str gear where i could witch overall just means switching to Hecatomb body triumph ring and triumph earring(just put on my mnk's str gear lol)

and heres TP gear(yes missing homam body lotted 16 on it >.>)

Weapon: Blau dolch + Misericorde +1
Ranged: Bomb core
Head: Turban
Neck: Love torque
Ears: Brutal + Suppanomimi
Body: Rapparee Harness
Hands: Homam hands
Rings: Ulthalam's Ring + jeager ring
Back: Foragers
Waist: swift belt
Legs: homam pants
Feet: homam feet


overall i found that to work the best on hume for me. if you cant lay your hands on that just do your best to stack up on dex gear and where you cant get dex get str and start from there for ws gear.and tp gear theres dusk hands and feet and that bravo subligar as rep for homam till you can get them.for tp best to stack up on as much haste as you can and acc where you cant put haste.

as for where to focus on to improve gear over all limbus for haste gear sky for ws gear.as for assualt gear i never found any of it usefull on thf but i had pretty much everything on that list befor assualt came out so its up to you weather or not to spend time getting it.

if you have any other questions id be happy to help^^

EDIT: as for merits go with str not dex

[Starr]

The correct answer is Fire Bomblet.

[Raen Ryong]

soloDE [with Feint up]:

Main: Blau
Sub: Sirocco
Ammo: Fire Bomblet
Head: O Hat (need Heca) [AF2]
Neck: Breeze Gorget
Earrings: Ethereal/Brutal
Body: Hecatomb [Dragon Harness]
Hands: Custom M Gloves (need Heca)
Rings: Ultha/Rajas [Spinel/Rajas]
Back: Forager's
Waist: Potent [Warwolf]
Legs: Dusk
Feet: Hecatomb

Exchange different gear if SA or TA or SATA'd. THF is inaccurate and I need the consistency unless a lot of acc/feint is present (then I use "low acc in WS" set).

I need to find some way of incorporating Warwolf Belt normally I think given the huge attack boost it is to DE but I am not confident with my acc at the moment.

EDIT: Looking at it, I can safely trade potent for warwolf...
EDIT2: Forgot to mention, take off Brutal Earring and exchange for Minuet for Assassin's Charge.

My Guillotine is:

Main: Perdu
Sub: Pole
Ammo: Fire Bomblet
Head: AF+1
Neck: Justice Torque
Earrings: Assault/Brutal
Body: Hecatomb
Hands: Chaos+1
Rings: Ultha/Rajas
Back: Forager's
Waist: Potent
Legs: Black
Feet: Hecatomb

Sub in STR ring etc if enemy evasion is low/I am getting pumped with accuracy.

[montijin]

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[Darunia]

A little late to reply but for Rampage especially you should really have 2 or more setups depending on your opponent, aggressor status and what buffs you are recieving, I tend to lean more toward Accuracy on Rampage than piling on heca and praying i land all hits.

Rampage

Main Maneater
Sub Juggernaut
Ammo Fire Bomblet
Head Hecatomb Cap
Neck Peacock Charm/Temperance Torque (situational)
Ear1 Assault Earring
Ear2 Brutal Earring
Body Haubergeon +1 (I like the extra DEX compared to Heca)
Hands Hecatomb Mittens (need to HQ sometime)
Ring1 Sniper's Ring +1
Ring2 Rajas Ring
Back Forager's Mantle
Waist Warrior's Stone
Legs Byakko's Haidate
Feet Hecatomb Leggings (also need to HQ sometime)

Rush

Main Perdu Voulge
Sub Pole Strap
Ammo Olibanum Sachet
Head Hecatomb Cap
Neck Fortitude Torque
Ear1 Triumph Earring
Ear2 Brutal Earring
Body Hecatomb Harness
Hands Hecatomb Mittens
Ring1 Triumph Ring
Ring2 Rajas Ring
Back Forager's Mantle
Waist Warrior's Stone
Legs Warrior's Cuisses
Feet Hecatomb Leggings

At the moment my Rampages seem pretty consistant, i swap in random things for Accuracy on THF mobs but overall i rarely miss a hit,
My Raging Rush gear i dont really use all that much, mainly for the rare occasion i go to trolls or to play in Sky/Sea, but im pretty happy with it.

[BroodIfrit]

I have two different builds for Dancing Edge, depending on the situation I'm in. If I'm soloing I usually use a full STR build, when stacking with SA/TA, I use a combo of DEX, AGI, and accuracy.

TP:
Azoth/Blau Dolch
Sirocco Kukri
Bomb Core/Fire Bomblet (Ziska's Crossbow)
Denali Bonnet
Love Torque
Brutal Earring
Ethereal Earring
Homam Corazza
Homam Manopolas/Assassin's Armlets
Ulthalam's Ring
Iota Ring
Forager's Mantle
Swift Belt
Pahluwan Seraweels
Homam Gambeiras

Solo DE:
Azoth/Blau Dolch
Sirocco Kukri
Bomb Core/Fire Bomblet (Ziska's Crossbow)
Hecatomb Cap
Breeze Gorget
Brutal Earring
Triumph Earring
Hecatomb Harness
Hecatomb Mittens
Rajas Ring
Flame Ring
Forager's Mantle
Potent Belt
Enkidu's Subligar
Hecatomb Leggings

Stacked DE:
Azoth/Blau Dolch
Sirocco Kukri
Bomb Core/Fire Bomblet (Ziska's Crossbow)
Hecatomb Cap
Love Torque
Brutal Earring
Triumph Earring
Antares Harness
Enkidu's Mittens
Rajas Ring
Iota Ring
Forager's Mantle
Warwolf Belt
Enkidu's Subligar
Hecatomb Leggings

I'm still looking to get Hecatomb Subligar, Homam Coscicales, Pixie Earring, and Denali Kecks , trying to simplify my overall gear builds to make space for other jobs. I'm pretty happy with my overall DE damage, I average 1200-1500 DEs on Colibri. Also working on separate SA and TA builds for merits to boost my overall damage.

[Karinastar]

Here's what I usually use for Rampage/Raging Rush... alternate items that I use for more accuracy etc are separated by -. Auction House/Easy to obtain suggestions are separated by >.

Rampage:
Main: Maneater
Sub: Ridill
Ammo: Fire Bomblet
Head: Hecatomb Cap > Unicorn Cap/Optical Hat
Neck: Ancient Torque > Peacock Charm/Chiv Chain
Ear1: Brutal > Merman's Earring
Ear2: Pixie - Assault
Body: Haubergeon +1
Hands: Hecatomb Mittens > Tarasque Mitts +1
Ring1: Rajas Ring - Toreador's Ring > Sniper's Ring
Ring2: Flame Ring - Toreador's Ring - Thunder Ring (for max DEX in some camps, getting an Iota Ring for this slot as well soon) > Sniper's Ring
Back: Forager's Mantle
Waist: Potent Belt - Life Belt - Warwolf Belt (Almost never use this)
Legs: Byakko's Haidate > Exorcist Hose
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings > Rutter Sabatons/Barone Feet/Hume RSE2(If Hume)/Taru RSE

Raging Rush (Easier to gear for as with a few Gaxe merits you don't need nearly as much ACC gear)
Main: Perdu Voulge
Sub: Pole Grip
Ammo: Fire Bomblet
Head: Hecatomb Cap > Unicorn Cap/Optical Hat
Neck: Ancient Torque > Peacock Charm/Chiv Chain
Ear1: Brutal > Merman's Earring
Ear2: Pixie - Assault
Body: Haubergeon +1
Hands: Hecatomb Mittens > Tarasque Mitts +1
Ring1: Rajas (Always leave this ring on with Gaxe when /SAM to preserve 6hit so long as 2 hits of RR land)
Ring2: Flame Ring - Toreador's Ring - Thunder Ring (Same deal with Iota) > Sniper's Ring
Back: Forager's Mantle
Waist: Potent Belt - Warwolf Belt (This belt gets a lot more use with GA)
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings > Rutter Sabatons/Barone Feet/Hume RSE2 (If Hume)/Taru RSE

I swap gear around based on camp/food and so on. It's easy to cap critrate on Colibris so I try to do that when I can in my WS gear, but on Mamools and such I usually don't worry about it so much and focus on keeping my accuracy consistent. Best thing to do is parse as much as you can, and adjust your gear based on the results until you get the best numbers.

[Max™]

Need more dex in those RR builds, loading full Str produces great ePeen shots, but horrible ws averages.

[Oulanbator]

Need more dex in those RR builds, loading full Str produces great ePeen shots, but horrible ws averages.

It might be interesting to explain why.

[Karinastar]

Need more dex in those RR builds, loading full Str produces great ePeen shots, but horrible ws averages.

In my RR builds? o_O

Macro I use for birds is 77+48 STR and 68+50 DEX. Max crit tier for them is 117. For mamools I adjust based on what songs I'm getting and what job the Mamool is, but for max DEX there I have 68+55. Going for any tier above that is silly as it requires way too many sacrifices in other slots.

[Seid]

For Raging Rush and Rampage, you want Str gear and Acc gear ( some atk maybe).
The best Str and Acc items comes from various end-game events. You listed some above. You will not need items from these places to have appropriate gear, but gear from these places will make you stronger.
I personally don't really work on War, I have really basic Ws gear ( like almost always the last item of the list) and my Raging Rushes are clearly destroying all other melees at mammols... I can't imagine what would happen if I had the items at the top of the following list.

Head: Hecatomb cap ( fafnir, einherjar) > Sipahi (AH)
Neck: Soil/snow gorget ( sea) > accuracy neck ( AH)
Ears: Brutal earring ( limbus) > triumph earring (AH) > atk earring (AH)
Body: Adaberk ( Nidhogg/einherhar) > Ares ( Salvage) = Valkyrie ( einherjar) = Heca ( sky) > Haubergeon (AH)
Hands: Hecatomb hands (sky) > Alky (AH) > Pallas ( AH)
Rings: Str or acc rings (AH)
Back: Foragers ( AH) > Amemet +1 (AH)
Waist: Warrior's stone ( dyna) > Warwolf belt (AH) = Potent belt ( AH)
Legs: Ares (salvage) > stuff from AH
Feet: Hecatomb ( sky) > Rutter

the "=" means should give more or less the same results. Haven't tested everything and I probably won't

I'm late to the party but this Raging Rush setup confuses me and by confuses I mean "WTF". I think the STR > All mentality is hurting alot... RR is a Crit WS... yeah STR helps, but you know so does Attack, Acc and Dex... maybe I'm wrong but here is one person's suggestion on some "improvements"...

Head: Hecatomb is the best, I agree, but Voyager Sallet or OHat would be far superior to Sipahi.
Ears: Brutal is correct for one, but why a Triumph? Why not Minuet, Merman's, Fowling, Assault, or Pixie. Triumph just is so bland compared to other options that are cheaper and better... the 2 STR is a waste of the slot in my opinion.
Body: Hauberk (+1) and Hauby +1 also seem like very good options that aren't even mentioned... and no mention of an Osode either... /sigh, you have to mention the staples!
Hands: Hecatomb being the better option for sure, but I can't get behind the loss off Acc and Dex in a Crit WS by using the gigas bracelets. Maybe that's just me but I would never use Alky's for RR, and I mean ever!
Rings: Rajas being best, ToAU Ring is also a great option as is Thunder ring if you are going for a Crit build (and you get roughly 4acc from it). I personally use Thunder...
Waist: This was pretty good, but wouldn't Warwolf be arguably better than Warrior Stone based on the WS characteristics and assuming you have GAxe merits?
Legs: I would say Hecatomb Legs, Byakko's Haidate and Warrior AF2 are all better than AH options... you could even argue for Hecatomb being the best of all the options.

The STR pile up is good where you can double dip with Dex or Attack (imo), but outside of double dipping, you really hurt your WS potential in my opinion. I just think there are much more sensible things to focus on for RR than only STR.

Here is the setup I use just for reference...

Head: Heca
Neck: Snow
Ear1: Pixie
Ear2: Brutal
Body: Heca, Osode, Hauby +1 (depending oh the situation)
Hands: Heca
Ring1: Thunder
Ring2: Rajas
Back: Amemet +1 (Cerb NQ)
Waist: Warwolf
Legs: Heca
Feet: Heca

I'll change out my body piece depending on where I am or what I'm killing... if im on lolbirds, Osode it up and rock the mods, if I'm in MMJS or other, I'll change depending on sheer ACC numbers... most of the time I use Hauby +1 though.

Edit: Spelling

[Starr]

Raging Rush
Perdu/Pole/xxx/Fire Bomblet
Heca/sea gorget/Brutal/Assault or Pixie (I went there!)
Haub+1/Heca/Rajas/Flame
Forager's/WAR stone/Ares'/Heca

Rampage
Maneater/whatever/xxx/Bomblet
Heca/soil/brutal/assault or fowling
Haub+1/ares/rajas/ulth
foragers/war stone/haidate/heca

Dancing Edge
whatever u use/xxx/Bomblet
Heca/Soil/brutal/pixie
heca/heca/rajas/flame
foragers/warwolf/heca/heca

[Fogo]

For raging rush while stacking str is great, stacking as much dex helps even out your averages because for 1 it adds more acc with the whole 2h update thing and being a GA yadda yadda, but also dex adds to crit chances and more crit chances per hit will raise your average damage overall better than a straight str/acc build will. This is the reasoning behind why heca hands are better than pallas and alky bracelets, why warwolf belt is better than potent belt, and why askar zuchetto is better than just about everything short of hecatomb hat. Also, keeping byakkos haidate in your legs will raise your averages better than switching to war cuisses or ares legs because you get a kind of double bonus with those as well (though I'd love to hear if anyones tested b. haidate vs hachiryu haidate for RR).

A lot of my RR gear probably looks similar to others, this is what I use:

Perdu voulge/pole grip/ /bomb core
Askar head/snow gorget/brutal/assault
Hauberk +1/heca hands/Flame ring/ecphoria (that .1 store tp makes a difference in my tp build)
Smilod +1/warwolf/bhaidate/taru rse2 boots (don't have heca yet grr)

I prefer the smilodon mantle +1 to the amemet +1, not that i've seen much difference on a parse but it just feels a hair better, a foragers might be better, could just be a personal choice, whatever. Heca body vs hauberk +1 could be pretty close to the same thing as well, although the much higher str on the heca is probably what throws it over the top, but i'm sure they've very close.

[Seid]

For raging rush while stacking str is great, stacking as much dex helps even out your averages because for 1 it adds more acc with the whole 2h update thing and being a GA yadda yadda, but also dex adds to crit chances and more crit chances per hit will raise your average damage overall better than a straight str/acc build will. This is the reasoning behind why heca hands are better than pallas and alky bracelets, why warwolf belt is better than potent belt, and why askar zuchetto is better than just about everything short of hecatomb hat. Also, keeping byakkos haidate in your legs will raise your averages better than switching to war cuisses or ares legs because you get a kind of double bonus with those as well (though I'd love to hear if anyones tested b. haidate vs hachiryu haidate for RR).

A lot of my RR gear probably looks similar to others, this is what I use:

Perdu voulge/pole grip/ /bomb core
Askar head/snow gorget/brutal/assault
Hauberk +1/heca hands/Flame ring/ecphoria (that .1 store tp makes a difference in my tp build)
Smilod +1/warwolf/bhaidate/taru rse2 boots (don't have heca yet grr)

I prefer the smilodon mantle +1 to the amemet +1, not that i've seen much difference on a parse but it just feels a hair better, a foragers might be better, could just be a personal choice, whatever. Heca body vs hauberk +1 could be pretty close to the same thing as well, although the much higher str on the heca is probably what throws it over the top, but i'm sure they've very close.

You had me til the Smilidon Mantle +1 -- I'm not outright calling it terrible, ok yeah in theory I am, but I acknowledge I could be wrong. I just can't see how 2 STR would outweigh 15 attack unless you are getting an fstr boost and even then, man, I dont know, 15 attack is pretty big. Same with not including Heca Legs in the legs discussion, 20 attack/8 Dex is just saucy... maybe Max or someone can hit us with some number crafting for Smilidon vs Foragers (Amemet +1) and Heca vs Others in leg slot.

[Valyana]

maybe Max or someone can hit us with some number crafting for Smilidon vs Foragers (Amemet +1) and Heca vs Others in leg slot.

15 attack ~3.75% higher damage.
3 STR = 2-3 attack (~0.5-0.75% damage), 0-1 fSTR (~1% damage), 35% str mod (~0.9% damage) -> ~2.67% higher damage.

Heca is harder because we still don't really understand crit tiers, especially for 2h weapons .

[Oulanbator]

I'm late to the party but this Raging Rush setup confuses me and by confuses I mean "WTF". I think the STR > All mentality is hurting alot... RR is a Crit WS... yeah STR helps, but you know so does Attack, Acc and Dex... maybe I'm wrong but here is one person's suggestion on some "improvements"...

Although I agree on some improvements ( like sallet or earrings), and on the fact that Dex helps, I consider crits as a bonus because I cannot guarantee at least a crit will happen every time.
Accuracy on the other hand, unless you wiff all the time while tping shouldn't be a big issue, especially since we have aggressor.

I didn't list my setup or only the best gear, but I tried to propose different degrees of armor available, so the OP can choose to what kind of degree he wants to improve his RR.
Some people might prefer to deal a bit less Dmg if they don't want to spend time in sky or DA.

Gigas bracelets aren't as good as Heca, I think everyone agrees on this, but what are the alternatives for people not willing to do sky ? AF hands ?
Between Pallas and AF the difference is +5str/-5dex, and 5 dex will not help RR as much as 5 str will.
Maybe AF+1 hands with a balance of +3Str/-5dex might be better than Pallas, I'm not really sure.