Declining Parties with Level Sync?

[JigglyJam]

I don't understand it. People would rather not level up at all than being synced down a couple of levels.

Is there something wrong with it I'm missing? Passing exp for the sake of skill-ups? Not having OMGWTFUBERPWNAGE gear?


Mostly I see this in JP exp comments but a few in some non-JP too.


Someone enlighten me as to why Level Sync is the most horrible thing in the universe?

[Raen Ryong]

Well, personally I try to list in my seacom areas I don't want to be in (< L20 {No Thanks}) and if I'm at level 30 for instance where I'm likely to be invited to Qufim, I'll add a (>= L24 {Qufim Island} {No Thanks}).

The main thing I have about level sync at the moment is that repeating all of your exping in the same level range is tedious and takes the fun out of levelling up; woo, I got level 42! A shame I won't be using these gear/spells. It's also a problem if you are inexperienced with this type of job and have been syncing a long time when you suddenly get a party around your level (I've been levelling whm sub lately -- first mage job ever, and after a load of 25 parties, I had trouble with my spell list etc when put at 32... to begin with, at least).

Not to mention a lot of people just want to get out of subjob level (most common sync level, at least early on) as soon as possible because of all of the halfassing people taking it to 37.

But yeah, level sync is very good. Gear scaling could be a LOT better, but as a whole it's amazing and I've found it much easier to party on my subjobs lately. The above is just my reasoning as to why I dislike it sometimes, but it's definitely better than a game without.

[Thistle]

but it's definitely better than a game without.

I'm working on a sub (DNC, shoot me now), and I haven't had a single party yet without someone 40+ in it synched down. Most of my parties have had 30+ people in it, and I haven't yet had a non-synched party.

The system could be better, but even as-is it's a godsend.

[JigglyJam]

Alright I can understand that, but if it's like 3-5 levels apart from lowest player? I'm in valkurm trying to put a party together with me as lowest @13 and this 15NIN prefers not to Level Sync at all.

I try not to get anything with large gaps. (6+ levels) I can understand with people not wanting to sync from 60 to like 18. Even following my guidelines I still get declines.

And I don't really have a problem with the gear scaling. But again I don't invite people more than 5 levels above so that might be why I think that way.

[finalwolf]

Done a lot of level synching, one thing I realized, the more I leveled, the further away my combat skills were away from cap.
Paladin was the only job where I turned down level sync parties, after I hit lv70.
Spent several hours a day soloing as pld/dnc trying to recap shield/sword, also getting a few levels on staff/club just for personal reasons.

Another reason for declining invites as lv70 pld was my equipment. While I didn't have "OMGWTFUBERPWNAGE gear" as described, I wanted to be a decent pld, with proper gear for tanking. Holding equipment that is functional in level sync parties and holding equipment that was functional at current level became to much of a hassle.

[Khajit]

There are several factors. MY thf will never lv sync simply because i have too much gear at lv 75. Even if i synced down 1 lv I'd lose 22% haste , a majority of my stats, and I'd also be practically naked in the exp pt and i don't think i could stand to be so gimp for all that time.

2. skillups. I'm serious. My rdm just hit lv 75 and my highest stat is basically around where i would cap at lv 60 and that's only because casting dia gave me enough skill ups to let me get as high as i did after it was stuck at the cap for lv 50 previously. MY rdm is the most gimp POS rdm you can find in theory since it's current skill atm is pathetic.
3, exp. some levels get faster exp than other but that's just silly unless you're doing something semi important while waiting and lfp.
4, maybe they just hate the camp? my rdm refused to go to the mire on account of it being a shithole. I eventually went once to double check the exp/hour there and it's even slower exp than i remember. it's not as bad being a mage there since you dont have to personally deal with imps but the exp/hour people claim there is greatly exaggerated.
5. weaponskills. rng hate to synch to 53 because they lose the ability to slugshot/sidewinder. the same idea follows for any job that reaches a lv where the ws start getting good.

[Darunia]

Level Sync although has its advantages eventually becomes a neusance as i found out when i finnished off my lolDRG not long ago, people would always invite me to lv54 Colibri parties from 62-75, when it actually came to a merit pt my polearm skill was so low i could barely hit the mobs let alone do decent damage.
In your case with the lv15 NIN in 13 PT, i have to side with the NIN and say when it comes to most camps pre30, the lower the level sync is the less exp/hr you get, even more true when it comes to Valkurm Dunes.

[Aksannyi]

Just depends what mood I'm in, really. I get level sync invites all the time on 75 RDM when it's clear from my /seacom that I'm only interested in a merit party. Other times it's been a godsend, and I kind of like being the "designee" rather than just in the party being synced down. I wouldn't really be interested in syncing more than 5, maybe 10 levels, but some will sync down from 65 to 20.

In my case, if it's a job that needs skill ups, then I want to do it at the proper level. If it isn't, though, (like SCH, come on all my magic skills are capped) I don't really care what level I am in the party.

[Bagel]

Now that I'm 56, I'd rather reject an invite and do something else than get a synch party in zilart areas where there's no exp bonus and half my gear is useless. What I'm really shocked about is how many invites I get to seriously bad camps, like Garlaige beetles/bats.

[Archain]

There are certain level ranges I'd like to stay away from, but I do love 42-48, 56-61, and somewhere around 63-66 range. When you start getting into the upper 60s or that damn 50 range, I can't stand it.

[Cream Soda]

Lv sync is fucking pimp.
Lv 40 drg: crawler's next 3.5k xp/hr. Shittadel: 4-5k/hr
Grab a lv 19 go to qufirm island: 10k/hr

Every time I'm lfp i'm always looking for a lv 19 to sync to then if I don't have an invite by then we hit up qufirm. Haven't done less than 10k/hr yet and have done up to 13k/hr with a cor.

My sam is 75 with 240 polearm though so lv sync doesn't hurt my lv'ing drg there at all till like the late 60's

Went from 37 to 57 in less than a week. About to ding 58 in a sec

[Lexa]

I'm leveling RDM. I'd rather wait a bit longer for a non-sync parties, than lose all my MND gear (or have to fork out gil for lower-level MND gear). No, my gear doesn't need to be OMGWTFBBQ, but I'd like to not get resisted on freakin' everything, too. If I have the level sync gear for it, I don't mind. If I don't, no thanks.

Funny, though, saying not having gear isn't a valid excuse, because if someone was partying with actual gear that gave as little benefits as most gear does when level synced, they'd be in the gimp/confused/wtf thread really damn fast. It doesn't take more than 2-5 levels to render a lot of gear pieces completely useless. Just because you can level sync without getting sync appropriate gear, doesn't mean you should.

PS. Level sync is f'in awesome for my PLD. I can get a buffer, now, without all the meritpts laughing at my lolDDPLD!

[Kaylia]

I decline level sync all the time. Most of those party are gimped and get shit xp, while lv 70+ party can get me over 10k/hours.

When I seek on my whm (now lv 70), I don't want to xp this bad...I'm just waiting for the perfect invite and accept it.

[Klain]

I'll only level sync if I KNOW the party is good.

Syncing with random people usually leads to a shitload of fail.

[Not Kuno]

Now that I'm 56, I'd rather reject an invite and do something else than get a synch party in zilart areas where there's no exp bonus and half my gear is useless. What I'm really shocked about is how many invites I get to seriously bad camps, like Garlaige beetles/bats.

Same here. I'm lfp on rng at colibri levels and people want to take me to Garliage or Kuftal. Also, my combat skills fall behind so that is very annoying when I get a non-synced party.

[Wolfknight]

I like it sometimes since I am doing blu atm, but other times I hate going back cause was the dam point of learning spells for 50 if I am just going to keep exping at 30, and keep going back to using same old spells instead of getting use ones I just spend two hours learning.

[Marcicus]

20k/hr in qufim with brd/cor/pl omnomnomnomnom, best thing is i dont have to spend shit to level my corsair :D

bad thing is my marksmanship is gonna get raped D:

[Cream Soda]

20k/hr in qufim with brd/cor/pl omnomnomnomnom, best thing is i dont have to spend shit to level my corsair :D

bad thing is my marksmanship is gonna get raped D:

nobody cock blocking that camp? I'd imagine you'd have to be like the ONLY fuckers there period to get that kinda xp. fuckin nice

[nekura]

For me, part of not wanting to sync too low is losing the benefits of some of my gear, like Hauby+1, Velocious Belt, etc. The other part is that now that my GAxe skill is > 200, skilling up means Boyahda Tree which is even less fun than Kuftal Tunnel. As Klain said, I'd take a lower level sync if I knew the people were good, but a lot of times it's not worth it.

[Jakson]

I don't remember who said it, but Level sync is awesome mostly for mages because their gear doesn't really matter all that much until later. Level syncing to 68 to do imps and losing both the option of haste or acc in my head spot is enough to make me put {Level Sync} {No thanks.} in my seacom.