Teen punks murder American hero's dog

[Tomiko]

Saw this on another forum and didn't see it here.

Note: Despite the title of the article, they're in their early 20s, not teens.

Glenn Beck - Current Events & Politics - Glenn Beck: Teen punks murder American hero's dog

CALLER: Hey, Glenn, thanks for taking my call. I just wanted to know, Friday you asked us to pray for Marcus and I was just seeing if you had an update today on what's going on with him.

GLENN: Yes, I do. Yes, I do. Marcus Luttrell is the lone survivor. He was part of the SEAL team. It was the biggest battle any SEAL in SEAL history. He was the only survivor. He lost his whole team. He was then taken by Al Qaeda and the Taliban and he was tortured beyond your wildest imagination and there they held him for a while. He's been sick. He still hasn't recovered from all of the things that they did to him and so he just has he's always in for his back and surgery and everything else.

On Thursday I believe it was, Wednesday or Thursday about 1:00 a.m., Marcus is a guy who doesn't sleep anymore at night. He sleeps during the daytime. And about 1:00 he happened to be awake and he heard a gunshot. He lives on a ranch with his mother in Texas. He grabs his gun and he goes outside. There he sees, I believe it was four. It may be three but I believe it was four young men 18 to 24 years old, all of them, where they had just shot his dog. Marcus' dog is named Dasy. Each letter represents D A S Y represents one of the fallen members of his team. It was given to him in recovery to help him through the recovery process. This dog means everything to Marcus. Marcus had his gun and he took it out and he put it right between the eyes of one of the guys. He was standing away from them, pointed right between the eyes. Now, here's a SEAL team member who is wildly, he's just, he is having trouble, man. He is still recovering from his injuries. He had just gotten out of surgery. He's standing there with a gun between the guy's eyes. He doesn't fire. All four and he's just saying, "You killed my dog." They executed his dog. "You killed my dog. Why would you do that?" They run. They get into his car. Marcus gets into his truck, chases them over four counties, finally runs them into a ditch. He calls the Rangers.

The Texas Rangers arrive and these guys, when the Texas Rangers are taking these guys away, Marcus has held them there by a gun. As the Rangers are taking these guys away, they're threatening Marcus' life and saying, "When we get out, we're coming for you next. First it was your dog. It's going to be you next. You don't know who you're messin' with." That's when Marcus kind of snapped just a little bit and said to the Ranger, "Excuse me, ranger, do you know who I am?" He said, "Yes, sir, Mr. Luttrell, I do." He said, "You might want to explain to these punks because I could have killed them 600 different ways and if I wanted to kill you guys after what you would have done what you just did to my dog, I would have pulled you down into my basement and I would have tortured you for days and you wouldn't have died until you begged me for death. So before you start saying you're going to come after me, you better learn who you've just whose dog you just killed."

They get into jail. These four punks have been killing dogs in Marcus' county now for a month, for joys, joy rides and kicks. Tonight Marcus is going to be on television and he's going to tell the story, and I'm showing the pictures of these dirtbags. And I want you to call PETA, I want you to call every activist you know. I want you to hear the story of a hero whose dog was executed. In all of the times that everybody is saying, oh, guns gotta be taken off the streets, you gun nuts. Here's a responsible gun owner that with everything he's gone through, everything that that dog means, these dirtbags come and kill his dog. He could have killed them all. He probably would have enjoyed it, justifiably so and he didn't because he's an American hero. Keep him in your prayers.

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Obvious animal abuse aside (Edmonds has pics of him giving his dog a "kissy" on his myspace which makes this even more pathetic), I think this is a good example for those who are against banning guns considering Luttrell showed a hell of a lot of restraint despite having the opportunity and training to shoot them had he wanted to.

Edit: Luttrell's wiki page for those interested. Link

[Araelus]

First reaction: I'm glad the punks didn't try to harm Luttrell. Glad for Mr. Luttrell's sake, that is.

Second reaction: Here we see the clear difference between Luttrell, who has a deeply ingrained respect for human life (however criminal and sorry it may be) and the folks who don't even care about animals.

Third reaction: if I remember Texas law, you can defend property with lethal force, so those critters were reeeeally lucky.

Fourth reaction: very interesting re-read at the wiki page, thanks for reminding me of that case from Afghanistan, Tomiko. I remember hearing about the failed helicopter rescue, but never the specifics of the initial operation. It seems Luttrell wrote a book about it - I'm going to put that in the queue.

[Tomiko]

Third reaction: if I remember Texas law, you can defend property with lethal force, so those critters were reeeeally lucky.

I think I remember reading a thread here sometime last year where a guy in Texas killed someone who broke into his neighbour's house or something and was cleared cause of that.

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/51402...bors-home.html

Found another one

Fourth reaction: very interesting re-read at the wiki page, thanks for reminding me of that case from Afghanistan, Tomiko. I remember hearing about the failed helicopter rescue, but never the specifics of the initial operation. It seems Luttrell wrote a book about it - I'm going to put that in the queue.

I don't follow the news very often but reading about it was interesting and sparked my interest in his book as well.

[Araelus]

I think I remember reading a thread here sometime last year where a guy in Texas killed someone who broke into his neighbour's house or something and was cleared cause of that.

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/51402...bors-home.html

Found another one

I should mention that allowing the use of lethal force in anything other than the gravest extreme is illogical/bad/etc., but it is current Texas law. >_<;

Even without hearing how he spared the guys who killed his dog, reading about what got the SEALs killed makes it clear in my mind that Luttrell has and will continue to do "what is right, not what is easy," and that is the moral of this story to me.

[Devek]

Texas law doesn't allow lethal force in anything other than the gravest situation..

You can't just kill anyone inside of your home and get away with it, lol.

[Beckwin]

Texas law doesn't allow lethal force in anything other than the gravest situation..

You can't just kill anyone inside of your home and get away with it, lol.

lol, the hell are you talking about? you can shoot two fleeing guys in the back who were leaving your neighbors house.

[miokomioko]

Texas law doesn't allow lethal force in anything other than the gravest situation..

You can't just kill anyone inside of your home and get away with it, lol.

Way to read.

lolTexas. Srsly.

[Kurp]

I think this is a good example for those who are against banning guns considering Luttrell showed a hell of a lot of restraint despite having the opportunity and training to shoot them had he wanted to.

'I drew down to kill the--'

'I pulled down and right before I could get a shot off they jumped in the car and took off'

'I pitted them into a ditch, came out the back in front of my truck, came around the bumper and was going to try and shoot the driver so he stopped the car and then who knows what would have happened after that and anyways this continued on for awhile. They got in front of me, I couldn't get a clean shot off once they got in front of me. They were in a car, I was in a big truck and couldn't keep up with them. So I chased them for four counties...'

It's a shitty story, but after watching the video it doesn't sound so much that he restrained himself as it was he just couldn't get in position to get a good shot off.

[Araelus]

Texas law doesn't allow lethal force in anything other than the gravest situation..

You can't just kill anyone inside of your home and get away with it, lol.

TEXAS PENAL CODE CHAPTER 9.

Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:

(1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and

(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or

(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.

Ok, we scroll down a bit...

SUBCHAPTER D. PROTECTION OF PROPERTY

Sec. 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY. (a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.

(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, movable property by another is justified in using force against the other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the dispossession and:

(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or

(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using force, threat, or fraud against the actor.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.


Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.

You got planed, sit down.

[Tomiko]

'I drew down to kill the--'

'I pulled down and right before I could get a shot off they jumped in the car and took off'

'I pitted them into a ditch, came out the back in front of my truck, came around the bumper and was going to try and shoot the driver so he stopped the car and then who knows what would have happened after that and anyways this continued on for awhile. They got in front of me, I couldn't get a clean shot off once they got in front of me. They were in a car, I was in a big truck and couldn't keep up with them. So I chased them for four counties...'

It's a shitty story, but after watching the video it doesn't sound so much that he restrained himself as it was he just couldn't get in position to get a good shot off.

After watching the video I have to agree. The article makes it sounds like he restrained himself, but he admits in the video he was going to shoot them. Fox News, etc.

[Brill Weave]

These idiots got fucking lucky as hell Lutrell didn't decide to use lethal force. They would still be picking up the pieces. Tough break for a guy who has already had his share of horrible experiences.

[Norelco]

I feel bad for the guy, I really do...but I'm wondering what exactly about getting caught and tortured makes him a hero.

America really has a fucked up sense of heroism these days. Not trying to take away what happened to him, his team, or what he has sacrificed for this country.

I know someone must agree with me...

[Araelus]

I feel bad for the guy, I really do...but I'm wondering what exactly about getting caught and tortured makes him a hero.

America really has a fucked up sense of heroism these days. Not trying to take away what happened to him, his team, or what he has sacrificed for this country.

I know someone must agree with me...

That's begging the question. "What part about being captured and tortured makes him a hero" implies that someone claimed those things make him a hero. Please correct me if someone did.

I'd say the heroism was for the most part his (and his team's) not murdering the random Afghani goat herders, despite knowing they'd probably blow their cover. Not to mention, their deploying in hostile territory on a mission "to reconnoiter a village where a Taliban leader was thought to be holed up"[source] and kill or capture a Taliban leader, in the first place.

If you don't want "to take away what happened to him, his team, or what he has sacrificed for this country" then please don't suggest spurious grounds for heroism when no such argument was being made.

I'm not trying to pick an argument, if this sounds harsh, just explaining why I can't agree. People can only agree with what you said if somewhere, out there, someone says "this man is a hero because he was tortured!" which of course would be silly.

Sadly, someone probably has said that...

[Norelco]

Begging the question. "What part about being captured and tortured makes him a hero" implies that someone claimed those things make him a hero. Please correct me if someone did.

Just going off of Glenn Beck's quoted text in the OP. My rail against the "hero" monicker is really more against the random American soldier. They could have gone overseas and sat in the mess hall for 6 months and people still call him hero.

[Araelus]

OHHH Glenn Beck ...... my brain filtered his quote into something plausible during processing.

[Dimmauk]

Just going off of Glenn Beck's quoted text in the OP. My rail against the "hero" monicker is really more against the random American soldier. They could have gone overseas and sat in the mess hall for 6 months and people still call him hero.

Incoming Neosutra.


I agree those fuckers were real lucky they didnt get killed. This sounds like the making of a bad WWE movie.

[fren.]

I was expecting this guy to be some grizzled old looking vet (didn't read wiki till after the video)

[Plow]

Just going off of Glenn Beck's quoted text in the OP. My rail against the "hero" monicker is really more against the random American soldier. They could have gone overseas and sat in the mess hall for 6 months and people still call him hero.

The fact that you can read a story about a guy that's been through what this dude has, and still has such a sense of humanity and ability to forgive and from it gather "lol how's this dude a hero?" makes me want to sit in a corner and cry.

[Brill Weave]

Also to my knowledge Luttrell was never "caught and tortured" by anyone, so I'm not sure where Glenn Beck is getting his information from. His team was killed and he was wounded, he managed to elude capture. A small village cared for him until he was reunited with the allied forces.

[Norelco]

The fact that you can read a story about a guy that's been through what this dude has, and still has such a sense of humanity and ability to forgive and from it gather "lol how's this dude a hero?" makes me want to sit in a corner and cry.

How is not killing someone heroic? Does that make me a hero?