Dear websites with coordinates

[Ksandra]

(x,y)

This is the way life is, this is the way FFXI is, someone explain to me why websites have gone retarded and EVERYONE seems to be doing (y,x)


Fix that shit.


Thank you.

[edit] SE is also posting coordinates in (x,y) for ffxiv

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...0b1bbe7fde1b20

Let us unify them please.

[Katlan]

I blame XIV's terribad UI. Its so bad they couldnt even even label the x/y coordinates or label em differently from numbers

[Ksandra]

I blame XIV's terribad UI. Its so bad they couldnt even even label the x/y coordinates or label em differently from numbers

it's just like. I saw it once, and thought it was a mistake, but I keep seeing it.

You learn it in like 5th grade WHY CHANGE IT?

[miokomioko]

Its so bad they couldnt even even label the x/y coordinates or label em differently from numbers

Does your alphabet have 60 letters? Or, would you prefer AA>AB>AC>BA>BB>BC?

I would assume that we all learned our Latitude/Longitude in gradeschool. Are you white-knighting for the geographically retarded?

[Priran]

I did not learn my aabbcc's, god god damnit damnit

[Sephiroth]

They need to do something to make it less confusing. I rather have AA, AB etc. in use than people giving co-ordinates and you being unsure whether they're using X,Y or Y,X. Most people I've encountered use Y,X.

[Ksandra]

They need to do something to make it less confusing. I rather have AA, AB etc. in use than people giving co-ordinates and you being unsure whether they're using X,Y or Y,X. Most people I've encountered use Y,X.

those people are retarded though, there's is really no excuse to not use (x,y), you have that shit drilled into your brain since you are young. Saying there's no letters are the reason is silly. It's common sense to use (x,y), I even hated math in school and I know this.

[Sephiroth]

Of course, but you can't assume everyone knows basic map skills because you then get directed to 2,40 instead of 40,2 and have a long walk. I rather have letters so if they say 2,AG you know to go to AG,2.

[#686578]

I blame XIV's terribad UI. Its so bad they couldnt even even label the x/y coordinates or label em differently from numbers

Hey dont blame me, I know how to label axis accordingly

[ascalon]

Does your alphabet have 60 letters? Or, would you prefer AA>AB>AC>BA>BB>BC?

I would assume that we all learned our Latitude/Longitude in gradeschool. Are you white-knighting for the geographically retarded?

A bold assumption. Maybe you do learn that in whatever gradeschool is (I'm British), but we don't actually teach Latitude and Longitude in British schools unless you specifically choose Geography as a GCSE subject.

We do, however, teach basic grid reference and coordinates: "in the house, up the stairs". 6 figure grid references would be fine, I guess, but even then people need to get the damned coordinates the right way round. X > Y. Not rocket science.

[Ksandra]

A bold assumption. Maybe you do learn that in whatever gradeschool is (I'm British), but we don't actually teach Latitude and Longitude in British schools unless you specifically choose Geography as a GCSE subject.

We do, however, teach basic grid reference and coordinates: "in the house, up the stairs". 6 figure grid references would be fine, I guess, but even then people need to get the damned coordinates the right way round. X > Y. Not rocket science.

house up the stairs is latitude and longitude....it's just the global usage for (x,y), so yes you did learn it in school. And it's universal across the world. And was invented way before the US was even discovered.


Seriously I know I sound bitchy but anyone trying to pin this on SE just makes themselves look like they didn't pay attention in school at all.

[edit] fixed for accuracy.

[Vuitton]

Not mention you learn it in basic math class, not just geography. Everyone learns how to navigate a graph in elementary school. They teach you what a point is, what a line is, ordered pairs, ect.

X is the horizontal plane.
Y is the vertical plane.

And since everyone likes to be all "WoW does it this way...", FFS they use x,y coordinates for their maps too.

[Illek♫]

It should be X,Y all the time, but even from talking to most people and their fear of maths/numbers, I'm not surprised people don't know this. I can only hope they learn soon enough.

[Carraway]

This just goes to show you how many people should have failed grade school.

[ascalon]

house up the stairs is latitude and longitude....it's just the global usage for (x,y), so yes you did learn it in school. And it's universal across the world. And was invented way before the US was even discovered.


Seriously I know I sound bitchy but anyone trying to pin this on SE just makes themselves look like they didn't pay attention in school at all.

[edit] fixed for accuracy.

Ahhh I get ya.

We just don't use that terminology unless you take geography as a specialist subject (which I didn't, and my GCSE days are loooooong past).

[bruiser]

Grid positions are often referred to by (row, column). It makes more sense in this context because it follows the natural left to right reading order that people are accustomed to (row positions are on the left of the screen, column positions stretch off to the right). Obviously in math everything is (x,y) but we aren't talking about continuous lines here, we're talking about a finite grid. It's different. That's why when you talk about matrix positions, for example, it's not x,y it's row,column.

3 4 5
6 7 8
9 0 1

What's M[1,2] (assuming the upper left corner is M[1,1])? It's 4.

Suppose they changed the row values to letters instead of numbers. A, B, C, etc. Then would you still advocate referring to position 7-A? Or would you want to say A7? I'm wagering A7. You could argue that the columns should be letters, and not the rows, but I'm just saying that it's not so universal as "x should always be first". (row, column) is really common in certain contexts.

[Ksandra]

Grid positions are often referred to by (row, column). It makes more sense in this context because it follows the natural left to right reading order that people are accustomed to (row positions are on the left of the screen, column positions stretch off to the right).

Suppose they changed the row values to letters instead of numbers. A, B, C, etc. Then would you still advocate referring to position 7-A? Or would you want to say A7? I'm wagering A7. You could argue that the columns should be letters, and not the rows, but I'm just saying that it's not so universal as "x should always be first". (row, column) is really common in certain contexts.

universal as in every country uses (x,y) when it comes to maps. And we're talking about maps. And yes if they had the y column be letters it would be 7-A, because it's a map.

This just goes to show you how many people should have failed grade school.

pretty much

[Lurking Badger]

I thought the reason for (y,x) was because in FFXI it was (letter(vertical), number(horizontal)). FFXI-2 and all that.

[Vuitton]

"row, column" is the same thing as "x, y". They're synonymous. A row is horizontal which is the X-axis which is latitude. A column is vertical which is the Y-axis which is longitude.

Either way the X-Axis/Row/Latitude comes first and is followed by the Y-Axis/Column/Longitude. Which is what the OP is advocating. The traditional and international acceptance of (X, Y).

[bruiser]

"row, column" is the same thing as "x, y". They're synonymous. A row is horizontal which is the X-axis which is latitude. A column is vertical which is the Y-axis which is longitude.

Uhh, no.

12345
23456
34567

The first (1'th) ROW is 12345

The second (2'th) COLUMN is 2;3;4

The 1st row and 2nd column is the 2nd item from 12345 -> 2
Alternatively it is the 1st item from 2;3;4 -> 2


x,y is absolutely not the same thing as row,column, they are opposites.

When people give geographic coordinates in terms of latitude longitude, the latitude (which is the y-axis, or the row) comes first.