Critical Attack Bonus caps at 100% (Critical Hit Damage) (Updated May 2011)

[Kirschy]

Starting a thread for it because there's bits and pieces in other threads and information like this gets lost easily~

Critical Attack Bonus is a term multiplied at the end of the damage calculation. (ie; Critical Attack Bonus+5% would turn a 100 damage critical to 105 damage.) Since ranged hits always cap at 3.0 pdif, and criticals are always 25% more, it makes testing this easy and simple.

For these tests I used NIN and SAM, /w Killer shortbow.

(39 DMG + 24 fSTR2 + 41 Ammo)*3.0 = 312 damage
Expected Critical: 312*1.25 = 390 damage

RR or SS alone add Critical Attack Bonus+30%: (Reposting pic.)
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9245/ssatma.png

507/390 = 1.3 confirming the 30% bonus.

RR + Kamome(NIN Katana which adds Critical Attack Bonus):
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/885/546.png

546/390 = 1.4 showing a 40% bonus, which shows us Kamome's 10% is additive with RR's 30%.

Both RR + SS and RR + SS + Kamome give us this:
http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/2479/585.png

585/390 = 1.5 showing a 50% bonus, which indicates there's a cap.


WAR's Critical Attack Bonus+5% trait + RR:
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/1127/526x.png

526/390 = 1.3487
390*1.35 = 526.5
Damage is floor'd after this step, like all other damage calculations, and is showing an additive 30%+5% from both atma and traits~

WAR's Critical Attack Bonus+5% trait + RR + SS:
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1449/5852.png

585/390 = 1.5 shows that traits are additive with Atma/Equipment and conforms to the 50% cap.

As of May 2011 update, Critical Attack Bonus now caps at 100% from all sources. More info located later in the thread @ http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/100...=1#post4589970

[ClarkSammich]

Thanks, I was looking forward to this since you mentioned it earlier.

[Darkyrm]

Thats really nice to know, as usual awesome tests!!

[Malacite]

Very, very good find thanks Kirschy.

So, does this mean that Sanguine Scythe is over kill, and VV should be used in conjunction with RR instead of it? (depending on gear/traits)


For example, DRG doesn't get crit atk bonus of any form, so the extra 20% on Drakesbane would be nice. But THF & WAR do, as well as WAR having Claymore/Brave Grips, THF has X's Knife and NIN has Kamome to supplement extra crit damage, which would really shrink SS down to +10% or less.

[Cream Soda]

I have nothing useful to add, just wanted to drop a thanks.

Great work, as always.

[shepardG]

What CS said. Good job K! ^^

[dem0nfr0g]

Atma of the Hero is a decent middle-ground. Get a Minor Critical Attack bonus and some STR. Not sure if it would beat either of the +50 STR atmas though.

[lolwut]

Impressive initiative as always Kirshy. Thanks for testing this.

[Kilik]

Thanks Kirschy. I appreciate all the testing you've done.

[The Blackrose]

I love me a good Kirschy testing thread. Good stuff as always. Thanks.

EDIT: Tapatalk accidentally my whole post.

[NynJa]

For example, DRG doesn't get crit atk bonus of any form, so the extra 20% on Drakesbane would be nice. But THF & WAR do, as well as WAR having Claymore/Brave Grips, THF has X's Knife and NIN has Kamome to supplement extra crit damage, which would really shrink SS down to +10% or less.

I ditched my X's Knife to be honest...not sure why non-Mandau thf's would keep it at this point either.

[vagus]

Internet respect knuckles. ^.^m

[Kilik]

Would there be any easy way to test if the "2% weapon skill damage" augment on anwig salade can bring your total bonus to a crit weaponskill to 52% dmg? I've been using a +4STR/AGI, WS ACC+15, WS DMG +2% Anwig for Blade: Hi. If total bonus dmg (not just total crit bonus) caps at 50%, then the 2% on the head is wasted and I'd be better off with a Bersail Cap (+8 AGI) or Maat's Cap (+7 AGI and STR to help cases where fSTR isn't capped).

[Malacite]

I ditched my X's Knife to be honest...not sure why non-Mandau thf's would keep it at this point either.

Given what a pain in the ass it is to obtain it, I'm not that surprised. Auric Dagger is much better, and Empyreans/OAT/2-3 are far more worth the effort than spamming that stupid BC. Now, I suppose this goes into the "What's Better?" thread, but any info on the Haste giving Atmas yet? Just wondering if they're viable now that we know there's a cap to crit dmg.

[Fievel]

Given what a pain in the ass it is to obtain it, I'm not that surprised. Auric Dagger is much better, and Empyreans/OAT/2-3 are far more worth the effort than spamming that stupid BC. Now, I suppose this goes into the "What's Better?" thread, but any info on the Haste giving Atmas yet? Just wondering if they're viable now that we know there's a cap to crit dmg.

Aren't they only like 1% haste?

[jurjur]

Aren't they only like 1% haste?

the two that i've seen are 1% haste, I believe Kirschy tested one of them. I can't remember what type of haste it is, thought (gear/magic/ja)

[Yugl]

Critical Attack Bonus = Critical DMG Bonus?

[rog]

the two that i've seen are 1% haste, I believe Kirschy tested one of them. I can't remember what type of haste it is, thought (gear/magic/ja)

Gear, iirc. Doesn't really matter though, since 1% haste can't possibly beat any atma worth using.

[Vincento]

For the sake of the illiterate readers who skim BG, I would like to request the title is reworded to address the damage portion of critical hits (attack bonus isn't cutting it I guess?) - simply as a means of lowering the number of morons who attempt to convince others that the cap on critical hit rate is 50%.

For the record this in no way is addressing Yugl, I have had several people spout this fallacy.

e: also thank you Kirschy + all those who contributed.

[Cantih]

Critical Attack Bonus = Critical DMG Bonus?

Yes.
You read it as (Critical Attack) Bonus, not, Critical: (Attack Bonus)