Outside alliance claims?

[Janeru]

Let me preface this by saying I am NOT trying to cause a flame, so please don't take it that way.

Nikkei said this in the intro

So people know where atleast I personally stand as an officer of my linkshell, should someone from a certain LS claim an NM outside of alliance and die, it still belongs to the ls that claimed it until A) it dies, or B) they wipe/call for help. Also to make sure this is clear, this is not an official rule, BG does not make the rules but this is the one of the rules we follow in an attempt to keep things fair. Going back to another situation before someone tries to bring it up, being in one LS and trying to claim for another LS you are not in does not apply to all of this.

So what if then someone is not in a linkshell, but claim an HNM FOR a linkshell, much like Xuaenix claimed Nidhogg and gave it to FI? By what I'm reading, that would still be considered "right" that FI then kill it. But when this actually happened, BG was furious. However, how can the disticintion be drawn, since it's still outside the alliance?

Like I said, I am NOT trying to insult ANYONE or cause ANY flaming, I just want to know if there is a difference. Someone claims it and dies, it goes unclaimed since they weren't in an alliance. Should this be fair game? Or should the claimer decide who it goes to?

Edit for mozilla being stupid.

[nsx]

None of this on midgar.

If an outside PT claims and dies, its free game.

There is no randoming for next chance if initial pull LS loses either here.

[Miami]

BG was probably mad about Xuaenix claming for FI coz FI gets like almost EVERY HNM and dont need any more help claiming?

Veritas is in BG and was just outside the ally n claimed it, so thats different than what xuaenix did.

[mdn]

None of this on midgar.

If an outside PT claims and dies, its free game.

There is no randoming for next chance if initial pull LS loses either here.

midgard is like the badass of servers; we don't fuck around, it's cut-throat.

[Xavier]

So what if then someone is not in a linkshell, but claim an HNM FOR a linkshell, much like Xuaenix claimed Nidhogg and gave it to FI? By what I'm reading, that would still be considered "right" that FI then kill it. But when this actually happened, BG was furious.

Generally speaking, the rule was established by the japanese to counter the 18 man max alliance setting. If someone from your linkshell claims and isn't inthe alliance, we've always gone on good faith that it was just random bad luck they were outside the alliance and considered it a normal claim.

The incident you're talking about was entirely different, because he wasn't a member of FI, and was in fact there to purchase a drop off Fafnir/Nidhogg. We were upset at the time because it turned claiming Nidhogg into an RMTable practice, and FI really had no claim over the mob because nobody in their LS claimed it.

I really hope you can see the difference in someone outside the alliance from a linkshell claiming and a random person w/ the intent to RMT (and I say RMT loosely, because RMT has broadened to encompass the purchase of items that you yourself cannot obtain basically) claiming and giving to the linkshell most likely to sell them gear.

[Janeru]

I can see a basic distinction, though as you said you use the term RMT loosly. RMT means Real Money Trade, and I wouldn't say that purchasing items from a linkshell is RMT (though can we please not have that discussion again). I just honestly wanted to know where people draw the line on outside alliance claims.

[edgarfigaro]

If you can't get the person in the alliance before they die, it's free game on my server. Which is fair in my opinion, because if an ls shows up with 30 people in tow to fafnir, they shouldn't be rewarded for an inablity to get someone with claim in the main alliance (110 people are fafnir last night, 4 ls's...I didn't even see fafnir until he was at 95%)

[Xrave]

We usually show up to kill Fafnir with many more than 18 for the sole purpose of the claim. In a few situations we've had people outside the alliance claim and have gotten them in before they died and kept the claim.

However if they did die before accepting, I would assume it would be free game for any other LS there.

Then again after it's claimed the initial time, people probably wouldn't be anticipating it going white except for the LS that claimed knowing the solo person wasn't in an alliance and therefore the main alliance would be ready to reclaim.

/pcmd commands ftw

[FFXIFlux]

Here's an idea folks... don't let it go gold. I'm sure you've figured out how to do that by now.

[Demetrios]

Here's an idea folks... don't let it go gold. I'm sure you've figured out how to do that by now.

Yeah, make it appear purple to everyone else in the room seconds before it pops

[layoneil]

So what if then someone is not in a linkshell

what are you doing trying to claim in the first place if you're not in a linkshell.

but claim an HNM FOR a linkshell, much like Xuaenix claimed Nidhogg and gave it to FI?

if they are willing to let you claim stuff for them, they can either
1) give you a pearl
2) give you a spot in their alliance

if you don't do either, than you're treated as your own entity who claimed and wiped.

[kearnsy]

Yellow = free game!

[vudoodoodoo]

Yellow = free game!

You gonna follow KB and spam voke?

[layoneil]

Yellow = free game!

You gonna follow KB and spam voke?

he's from Migar, i think they do that overthere.

[Gregorio]

For other HNMs, if the puller dies before the rest of the party can engage it and the HNM goes yellow, isn't it generally accepted to be up for grabs? Why should this be any different?

[Janeru]

Yellow = free game!

You gonna follow KB and spam voke?

he's from Migar, i think they do that overthere.

And I thought Bahamut was bad

[threevo]

Yellow = free game!

You gonna follow KB and spam voke?

he's from Migar, i think they do that overthere.

its not that bad.....most of the time

[layoneil]

For other HNMs, if the puller dies before the rest of the party can engage it and the HNM goes yellow, isn't it generally accepted to be up for grabs? Why should this be any different?

that's news to me, and this is different because it's much more common to die pulling these.

[Damian]

The way that it is done on my server is if someone outside the alliance claims it then dies if the mob goes yellow and no one has hate then it is free. Same as on pull, for instance Aspi popped a single person from the linkshell pulled it and died the NM was then when yellow and no one from that linkshell had any hate so the was free. Personally I think that if a member outside main alliance pulls and dies its the same thing as a wipe.

[FFXIFlux]

For other HNMs, if the puller dies before the rest of the party can engage it and the HNM goes yellow, isn't it generally accepted to be up for grabs? Why should this be any different?

that's news to me, and this is different because it's much more common to die pulling these.

Get a better puller. Seriously, how hard is it for peope to claim something and, oh, I dunno, actually fight it without putting away their weapons or switching targets while mob is red? Although I'm in a LS where we've had multiple wyrms CFH at like 2%, so whatever.