Advanced chocobo raising

[Ephraim]

Ok so I was digging across the forums looking for information on some more specific questions about chocobo racing and couldnt find the answers to these questions. was wondering if anyone could help me out .

1)sence galop and canter raise each repective stat (str and end) by one level, would having the ability and the respective stat at first class help any sence there is no level above first class? i know you can still gain points after first class, but it doesnt actualy level up. so basically does it make it first class + with the ability or is it still just first class but basically wasting the ability since you can't get any higher than first class.
2) is it possible to beat the nation birds in free runs without items? right now im at 8 str, 7end, 4 dis, and 1(almost 2) recep with galop and canter and seem to be fallin just a little short each run. I think I could probly win if i used an item, but I'm tryin to beat them without it.
3) and last as more of a continuation of the last question, if it is possible what stats do you have?

any info would be greatly appreciated .

[Frenzy]

2) is it possible to beat the nation birds in free runs without items? right now im at 8 str, 7end, 4 dis, and 1(almost 2) recep with galop and canter and seem to be fallin just a little short each run. I think I could probly win if i used an item, but I'm tryin to beat them without it.

Yes, since the June update not consistently, but quite often.

3) and last as more of a continuation of the last question, if it is possible what stats do you have?

Less end, more rec. The incrementals between levels play an important role, I have two Chocobos with outwardly the same stats, one does better than the other.

Would be interested to know how it the Galopp/Canter = Level +1 thing was figured out.

[Bockage]

1. The overall consensus seems to be that Gallop and Cantor are very important to any racing bird. They are pretty much necessarry to win the Swamptrot races and earn your torque. You shouldn't pass these up.

2. It is possible to beat the supper chocobo's in free runs without items. Your lack of receptivity is most likely what's killing you right now. When I was working on my current bird, who had maxed STR and END, it would loose by just a second or so in free races because negative items kept landing and slowing it down. Once I got receptivity to level 4, hardly anything lands on it now and he wins against the supper birds by a full body length. He doesn't beat them every time, but it's not hopeless like it used to be.

3. My current bird is 8/7/4/4 Gallop + Cantor.

[Frenzy]

3. My current bird is 8/7/4/4 Gallop + Cantor.

Is your Str capped, what team are you raising for and could you kindly estimate your winning percentage against the super?

[Ephraim]

My str is caped out (at first class), and i race with the bastok team (my home nation is bastok). and as for winning percentage ive never managed to beat any of the super birds. but like i said before my stats are 8/7/4/1(almost 2) at the moment so im not caped out just yet.
but ya, no one i ask really know if having first class stats and the ability give it a first class+ status. but if having first class and the abilities with just 4 disc and 3 or 4 receptivity can beat them that gets me the outcome i want anyways.

[Bockage]

Is your Str capped, what team are you raising for and could you kindly estimate your winning percentage against the super?

I don't believe his STR is capped, but it's close. I race for lasttok. I haven't done a free race in a while, but I think it was something like 1 out of every 5 races or so I'd beat a super bird.

[Frenzy]

I don't believe his STR is capped, but it's close. I race for lasttok. I haven't done a free race in a while, but I think it was something like 1 out of every 5 races or so I'd beat a super bird.

Hmm. That's about the same rate mine does and I race with capped Strength, but lower end and higher Dis and Rec.

but ya, no one i ask really know if having first class stats and the ability give it a first class+ status.

That's why I'd like to know how they found out about that. Have you tried asking the author of that article, I think it was written primarily by one person.
I haven't paid attention to the betting board in a while, can one see the proposed gallop/canter stat raise in it? The last time I looked at it, I was racing with a first class/first class bird. Got to take a look at it the next time my bird's running.

I took a look at the article. Bockage added the Attribute's part. Bockage, can you tell us, where the info about Galopp and Canter comes from?

[Tarage]

So I have a question. What is the 'ideal' stat build for a chocobo to obtain the torque? Also, if I breed Gallop and Canter onto a chocobo, how much can I level up it's stats with the training? Is there a cap to it, and is there a time limit?

[Frenzy]

So I have a question. What is the 'ideal' stat build for a chocobo to obtain the torque?

There is no ideal build. Get Gallop and Canter, have a Chocobo with high Str and make sure your Choco has some skills in the other three (mixture varies there).

Also, if I breed Gallop and Canter onto a chocobo, how much can I level up it's stats with the training?

You can level it up just as if it didn't have Gallop and Canter.

Is there a cap to it, and is there a time limit?

Yes, there is a cap, and there is no time limit, but after your Chocobo retires you'll have to use the more expensive racing tokens. Your Chocobo auto-retires on day 129.

[Frenzy]

And I have found where the Canter/Gallop = Level +1 comes from.
It's from this edit in otherwiki and quite frankly I'd distrust that information very much, the guy who added it has some very weird Chocobo theories (just take a look at the rest of that guide, the tact, evasion, etc thing is from him, too, reasoning for these made up terms is on the discussion page).

[Tarage]

How much do the tokens increase stats? IE, how much for one level?

[Frenzy]

How much do the tokens increase stats? IE, how much for one level?

I haven't tested them thoroughly yet, but so far it fells like incredible slow and normal racing training to be faster. So try to train your Choco to the desired stats during raising, it's possible, but requires some stamina (many, many races to be done -.-).

[Tarage]

I haven't tested them thoroughly yet, but so far it fells like incredible slow and normal racing training to be faster. So try to train your Choco to the desired stats during raising, it's possible, but requires some stamina (many, many races to be done -.-).

The problem I've had is when I try to breed a bird, it never ends up with both Gallop and Canter. I've been lucky to get one, but then I have to attempt to get the other, and by the time I've been able to teach it, a vast majority of the training time has been used up.

[Frenzy]

The problem I've had is when I try to breed a bird, it never ends up with both Gallop and Canter. I've been lucky to get one, but then I have to attempt to get the other, and by the time I've been able to teach it, a vast majority of the training time has been used up.

Quite frankly, I don't think it's possible to get two abilities from birth on.
I only ever saw one person, over at ifrit's, claiming that to have not only one chocobo born with two abilities but many. I think, if a Chocobo could be born with two, we would have more accounts of that by now.

You have to take your time and it generally doesn't matter whether you get the second ability at the beginning or at the end of the 129 days you can take for raising. Your Chocobo doesn't have to learn it in the first 64 days.

If you really want the second within the 64 days, I'd suggest you first raise Str and End to first class and then use the Digging plan to raise Dis to Average (supported by constant readings of the appropriate story). End will drop, but you'll get a good basis to train your Chocobo further.

[Ephraim]

so if you cant have any ranking better than first class (if first class plus the ability doesnt give you firstclass+ status), wouldnt you want to have str and end to level 7 so galop and canter can bring them up to a first class rating? and spend the other points on disc/recep?

[Frenzy]

so if you cant have any ranking better than first class (if first class plus the ability doesnt give you firstclass+ status), wouldnt you want to have str and end to level 7 so galop and canter can bring them up to a first class rating? and spend the other points on disc/recep?

We don't know whether Gallop and Canter really add a level to Str and End or if they come into play in another way. And if they add an level, whether it is possible with them to attain another, not displayed, level.

Since Racing is so random is it is rather difficult to test whether a SS + Gallop and Canter Chocobo is faster than a S + Gallop and Canter Chocobo (and whether it matters how far into the level you are).

[Bockage]

I took a look at the article. Bockage added the Attribute's part. Bockage, can you tell us, where the info about Galopp and Canter comes from?

I found that info on otherwiki and KI when I first started raising a bird.

How much do the tokens increase stats? IE, how much for one level?

7 chocobuck upgrades, or 560 chocobucks are needed to raise an attribute one level. You'll need 2,240 chocobucks to get receptivity to level 4 from scratch.

So I have a question. What is the 'ideal' stat build for a chocobo to obtain the torque?

The ideal stats to get a torque are 8/7/4/4 Gallop + Cantor.

[Clave]

Canter.

And ideal stats is subjective. As long as you got capped or close to cap strength and balance the other 3 stats somehow until your chocobo is capped, you should have a good racer on your hands.

[nitsuj]

Thank you for this post. Can I get confirmation that you CAN learn stories past day 64? I'm not sure I'll make it all the way to AVG discernment before 64, and need to make sure to get both of these.

If I need to spam more tokens, I need to know now. Thanks :D

[Frenzy]

Thank you for this post. Can I get confirmation that you CAN learn stories past day 64? I'm not sure I'll make it all the way to AVG discernment before 64, and need to make sure to get both of these.

Rest assured, you can get/learn stories after day 64. One of my Chocobos was on slow and dense, it took till after day 64 to get the ability I wanted. Btw, it's better to know Canter from the start, since that story is generally more of a pain to gain (it's on long walk and shares space with another trainer).

I found that info on otherwiki and KI when I first started raising a bird.

Given the wild and guessing theories I have seen pulled out from nowhere (if you dig deeply enough, you can see an entry on otherwiki stating that you can get all four stats to first-class), I'd explicitly distrust those theories, without bullet-proof rationals and tests given for them. I couldn't find the relevant entry on KI, but the one on otherwiki appears to be form Urat (which makes me extra-mistrusting). At the beginning, quite a few people were guessing before the relevant parts were available/tried, just to be the first. Not all of those unsubstantiated guess might be corrected yet.

Btw, Gallop and Canter appear as separate entries on the tote board, there is no indication that they raise the stats one level on the tote board.