Linkshell merges

[threepoll]

Looking at cross server recruitment thread, it seems all established shells are desperate for members(dont fucking deny it) they bump it every few days. As well as more and more people are quitting the game, Why hasn't there been more merges?

[Shamaya]

If there's anything that sounds more like a cesspool waiting to happen than server transferring or whole-shell-NASA-server-transferring, it's server-transfer-merging.

[Therin]

I've never seen or heard of a merge working well for an extended period of time.

The only way it could happen is if both shells kept every officer from their previous separate shells and had a vote to decide the policies of the new LS charter with votes from all members from both separate shells. And even if you did all of this, you'd have to hope that your 40+ people all get along as well as your two separate groups of 20. In short, in a practical situation, it's not going to happen.

[Budonez]

It requires at least 50+ extremely skilled players to do PW. Excluding AV, everything else in the game can easily be done with an alliance or less, LSs really don't need more members lol

[Aselin]

It could be ego or age-old rivalries between two or more Linkshells on the same server. There also could be bureaucratic and political issues on how the shell is going to be run; how leaders will be decided; how items will be distributed; and how to fairly treat senior members of one Linkshell alongside incoming new members of a merging shell. There could also be social issues-- members probably not getting along with incoming members or language barriers.

Also, the transferring Linkshell could be a botting shell that may go against the "ideals" of the receiving Linkshell if they [supposedly] don't bot. Member(s) of the receiving Linkshell may take issue with it, threaten to leave if the merge went final, which is something that I have heard of happening before on Bismarck.

Every server has their own "culture" and "socioeconomic" level. Merging with one shell on another server could be the equivalent of a "culture shock" to the transferring 'Shell. Other times, the transition is smooth and without issue.

[Kipling]

It requires at least 50+ extremely skilled players to do PW. Excluding AV, everything else in the game can easily be done with an alliance or less, LSs really don't need more members lol

Not really, according to our DKP our last kill was with 36 people. But looking through past kills I can see before I joined they killed it with less. Just nitpicking!

[Budonez]

Not really, according to our DKP our last kill was with 36 people. But looking through past kills I can see before I joined they killed it with less. Just nitpicking!

Perhaps this is the case, however, PB/nirvana team up failed with 70+ so yeah... that's the only experience I've seen.

[FailureMidgard]

Not really, according to our DKP our last kill was with 36 people. But looking through past kills I can see before I joined they killed it with less. Just nitpicking!

+??? 2boxed mules that got no DKP?!

[Kipling]

+??? 2boxed mules that got no DKP?!

2-3 whm mules on raise duty, no dkp for them!

[ringthree]

I've never seen or heard of a merge working well for an extended period of time.

The only way it could happen is if both shells kept every officer from their previous separate shells and had a vote to decide the policies of the new LS charter with votes from all members from both separate shells. And even if you did all of this, you'd have to hope that your 40+ people all get along as well as your two separate groups of 20. In short, in a practical situation, it's not going to happen.

Awsomeland has been doing it for a while now. Then again I have always thought I was very lucky to be on the server that I am on.

[ringthree]

Not really, according to our DKP our last kill was with 36 people. But looking through past kills I can see before I joined they killed it with less. Just nitpicking!

I just love it when people do this. Yes, of course, for people that have beaten PW already and have the fight figured out from experience then it isn't a problem to do it with less. It's pretty much the nature of the game. The problem is that few people are to that point right now, and point it out that you can do it with less is just dick swinging for no fucking reason.

Sorry if I went a little ragged there but you aren't nitpicking, you are just bragging and making inane statements. And they aren't even achievements that you made, because you joined the LS after they had already done all the hard work.

[Nekonaruto]

I don't play anymore, but I've actually been part of a linkshell merge (Unicorn's Fortune + Bismarck's Unreal (was that the name? I can't even remember)...FoReal. Pun intended.

Let's say that at first it is AWESOME, I mean, you get two linkshells with people that have a lot of experience and already some of the better gear. And mass-events such as Dynamis are just on a different level.

But the problem (for me personally) was that there wasn't a lot of communication on a social level between the two shells...now to some people that won't matter at all, so they can stop reading here.

On top of that, as most people around here know, both linkshells had a rather big part of Kuwaiti players and when the two shells merged the main language was English, but most linkshell conversations were in Kuwaiti. At first this wasn't a big deal to me, since I love learning languages but often some things were never spelled out in English, thus creating advantages/disadvantages.

Now don't get me wrong, a huge linkshell sure is fun, but as some people before said...it's pretty much set to fail at some point.

[Titanss]

uae linkshells do it

[test123]

If two linkshells break up due to lack of attendance and the pool of players make a new LS it works, however if the two linkshells team up in a merge it does not work?

Seems more of an illusion problem.

[Mizango]

Then again I have always thought I was very lucky to be on the server that I am on.

lol

[bebeci]

No such thing. It's never a merge. It's an acquisition.

[ZhiGaruda]

Sorry if I went a little ragged there but you aren't nitpicking, you are just bragging and making inane statements. And they aren't even achievements that you made, because you joined the LS after they had already done all the hard work.

Whether or not it was before his time, he was providing an example which disproved the *fact* the prior poster had made.

I don't know you, but I think you sound stupid

[Tsuko_Asura]

You're not alone. That was pretty douchey.

[rog]

If two linkshells break up due to lack of attendance and the pool of players make a new LS it works, however if the two linkshells team up in a merge it does not work?

Seems more of an illusion problem.

Well, when they merge, both sides are probably going to want to keep their points/attendance records/etc, keep their rules, and their leaders. Either half of the people are going to be mad that they're at the bottom of the list for drops, or if they start everyone over, then the people who came to all the events will be mad that they have to start over, and the people who didn't are going to be happy because everyone has to start over.

If the linkshells break and then make a new ls on the other hand, they both already lost all standing they had with their previous ls, with no chance of getting it back, so there's no reason to fight or get upset about it.

[Snprphnx]

i have never seen an actual merger work. only for an event specific task, like when 2-3 shells would get their KC drks together and rotate through Love pops to get the AV kills.

Prolly most notable fail on Bismarck was Iron and EventHorizon merging. that didnt last to long.