37+ in campaign

[Linliel]

Hello!

I want to know if I am insane for wanting to try to get my scholar through 37-75 in campaign (with a healthy side of campaign ops). I know there's quite an exp hit to start with, but is it even vaguely feasible? I have pretty shoddy hours (JP prime time) and have to afk at various times, so the idea of campaigning it appeals to me rather than pissing off parties that expect to go for 3+ hours at a time.

I was up to Bronze Star a few months ago (just doing the usual out in Meriphataud Mountains) but I suspect I lost it all now because I haven't campaigned since -- when I had to really get back to my study.

Are there particular campaign types I should try to go for? Or just heal/spam barspells etc. as much as I can?

Any suggestions gratefully appreciated!

[Shuemue]

Pretty sure you'd get much faster xp from 37-60 on bst pets

[Linliel]

I'm not really looking for speed necessarily, because I find campaign a little easier to sort of do other things while I'm doing it. You kinda have to pay attention with BST pets (though I suspect I'll end up doing that a lot anyway, heh).

[Radec]

It can be done, I've taken WAR 46-56 mostly in campaign.

It will take a very, very long time. The best I've managed in the 31-45 range is about 2500/hour - it's possible to hit 2900 if the battles are constant and you're capping out all the time, but that isn't very likely. Bronze Star or less is going to hurt you for a while (These numbers are from holyknight emblem) but it is pretty easy to rank up if you're xping fulltime in campaign.

Edit: Suggestions for capping xp: Sub bard, spam songs on yourself for 4 minutes or so, prot/shell yourself, refresh tags, repeat. Boring as all getout, but best xp in campaign by far. Works best in beastman controlled areas, such that you warp in right next to the CA, and no mobs come to kill you.

[Linliel]

Thanks! This is great advice :D

[Howard Roark]

later on you may want to sub smn if you have it, the aoe buffs are hotness

i've done it on my PLD and BLM

[Gilanth]

It can be done, I've taken WAR 46-56 mostly in campaign.

It will take a very, very long time. The best I've managed in the 31-45 range is about 2500/hour - it's possible to hit 2900 if the battles are constant and you're capping out all the time, but that isn't very likely. Bronze Star or less is going to hurt you for a while (These numbers are from holyknight emblem) but it is pretty easy to rank up if you're xping fulltime in campaign.

Edit: Suggestions for capping xp: Sub bard, spam songs on yourself for 4 minutes or so, prot/shell yourself, refresh tags, repeat. Boring as all getout, but best xp in campaign by far. Works best in beastman controlled areas, such that you warp in right next to the CA, and no mobs come to kill you.

What sort of xp do you get doing that at 60+? any idea?

[Altanass]

i went from 48 to 49 sch spamming brd songs in campaign, i would spam about 15 songs or so (maybe thats too much?) turn in tag and repeat. so every 2mins or so u get 120~ xp somtimes it went to 196xp but i'm not sure why? pretty boring and slow but good when u feel like campaign'ing for 20mins and do homework for the next 20mins etc

[Howard Roark]

i went from 48 to 49 sch spamming brd songs in campaign, i would spam about 15 songs or so (maybe thats too much?) turn in tag and repeat. so every 2mins or so u get 120~ xp somtimes it went to 196xp but i'm not sure why? pretty boring and slow but good when u feel like campaign'ing for 20mins and do homework for the next 20mins etc

maybe i'm misunderstanding but did you cap out at 15 songs then hand in tags and get new tags for 1 ongoing battle?

in other words, did you get 120-196 xp per battle or per round of 15 songs and tags handed in as many times as you could til the battle ended

[Vigilia]

SCH is utter haxx in Campaign at 40+ when you get accession. I've done at least half, if not more, of my SCH XP 40-72 in Campaigns. Just pick zones with a lot of players and NPCs and AoE buff/Cure the lot. Bring cookies and a good hMP set because it will drain a lot of MP but it's such easy points. You can cap out all your curing points with a single Accession Cure III/IV if there's an AoE spammy boss around like Shadoweye or that Taurus. The subbing BRD trick is a good one too to complement your point gain early on and it's even better if you can party up with another player or two. 60+ I started going with dagger/shield and just meleeing while casting like everyone else. The mobs have evasion/def etc. equal of about Coffer mob level so getting TP and spamming Energy Drain for a bit of extra MP between Sublimations and Aspirs works out pretty well.

[Altanass]

i went from 48 to 49 sch spamming brd songs in campaign, i would spam about 15 songs or so (maybe thats too much?) turn in tag and repeat. so every 2mins or so u get 120~ xp somtimes it went to 196xp but i'm not sure why? pretty boring and slow but good when u feel like campaign'ing for 20mins and do homework for the next 20mins etc

maybe i'm misunderstanding but did you cap out at 15 songs then hand in tags and get new tags for 1 ongoing battle?

in other words, did you get 120-196 xp per battle or per round of 15 songs and tags handed in as many times as you could til the battle ended

i would get a tag, sing about 15 songs, hand in tag, get about 120-196xp, get a new tag, repeat. So every 2mins or so u get 120-196xp. So in half an hour i'd turn in tags 15 times or so. So thats really like gaining xp at old-school xp rates where 5k an hour was amazing. I had also been messing around with storm spells, sublimattion and few odd cures, but i couldnt seem to work out why sometimes the xp jumped up and sometimes it didnt.

[Acturus]

SCH is utter haxx in Campaign at 40+ when you get accession. I've done at least half, if not more, of my SCH XP 40-72 in Campaigns. Just pick zones with a lot of players and NPCs and AoE buff/Cure the lot.

That's how I've done it.

What the OP needs to remember is that he'll never get skillups while in Campaign, and hell have to go back and work on those eventually.

[Vigilia]

SCH is utter haxx in Campaign at 40+ when you get accession. I've done at least half, if not more, of my SCH XP 40-72 in Campaigns. Just pick zones with a lot of players and NPCs and AoE buff/Cure the lot.

That's how I've done it.

What the OP needs to remember is that he'll never get skillups while in Campaign, and hell have to go back and work on those eventually.

Skilling up magic in Campaign is relatively easy but you won't get XP for it like you would in besieged. Pick a zone under beastman control, don't take allied tags and just stand in max. range spamming spells on the Fortification. The mobs roaming around fort will not link to it. I've been lucky thanks to 75RDM but few friends leveling BLM have been doing that a lot.

[Meian]

Are the Bard songs really all that? I found doing 7 Barspells per minute gives me the cap on the medal for each minute. I am last medal so I get 64 xp per minute this way (80% due to my level at 53, would get 80 otherwise at 60).

Since its SCH, it'll be easier with a bit more mp pool ready and Light Arts to cut down the mp cost. Bard songs I thought were for melee without the good mp pool.

In the end, just seek in Campaign while doing this I think is the best way.

[Linliel]

What the OP needs to remember is that he'll never get skillups while in Campaign, and hell have to go back and work on those eventually.

First I'm a she, but that's neither here nor there ^^ and most of my magic is fairly high up already if not capped except for elemental, which shouldn't be too hard to skill up on fortifications or in besiegeds or doing the odd solo I'm sure ^^

Thanks very much for the tips! These are great

[Radec]

It can be done, I've taken WAR 46-56 mostly in campaign.

It will take a very, very long time. The best I've managed in the 31-45 range is about 2500/hour - it's possible to hit 2900 if the battles are constant and you're capping out all the time, but that isn't very likely. Bronze Star or less is going to hurt you for a while (These numbers are from holyknight emblem) but it is pretty easy to rank up if you're xping fulltime in campaign.

Edit: Suggestions for capping xp: Sub bard, spam songs on yourself for 4 minutes or so, prot/shell yourself, refresh tags, repeat. Boring as all getout, but best xp in campaign by far. Works best in beastman controlled areas, such that you warp in right next to the CA, and no mobs come to kill you.

What sort of xp do you get doing that at 60+? any idea?

You'll be looking at ~4500/hour post 61 with capped emblem.

i would get a tag, sing about 15 songs, hand in tag, get about 120-196xp, get a new tag, repeat. So every 2mins or so u get 120-196xp. So in half an hour i'd turn in tags 15 times or so. So thats really like gaining xp at old-school xp rates where 5k an hour was amazing. I had also been messing around with storm spells, sublimattion and few odd cures, but i couldnt seem to work out why sometimes the xp jumped up and sometimes it didnt.

You're turning in your tags too soon. 15 songs is the perfect number, that caps the xp you can gain from singing at 300 (20/song for level 61+, multiply by level penalty etc etc). It only takes 3 minutes to sing 15 times with AoE spells, so you're stuck in the 240 cap range for 3 minutes (196 with penalty) or the 160 range if you take 2:59 (120ish with penalty).

Add a timer to your macro such that it is 4 minutes between when you get tags and turn them back in to raise cap to 325 (4 minutes on Holyknight) - Songs alone won't hit this, you'll need to fire 2 buff abilities, but they can be almost anything. Protects, Shells, Spikes spell, w/e.

While this is a fairly minor change, it reduces the % of the time you spend without tags, and does increase xp - I rose about 200/hour after I figured out where the caps were.

If your bard is high enough (Mine isn't, yet >.>) try cycling etudes on yourself for 3 full minutes, then use 2 other abilities/spells. This should give the same XP, but greatly improves allied note rewards to help you rank up faster. Each song/ability appears to be worth 10AN - normal spells+2 gives 170AN/4 minutes, about 2000/hour. If you do an hour of this per day for 5 days, you should be able to rank up as fast as possible. You might need a little more to finish off emblems if you don't quite hit 2000/hour from jumping areas, but it isn't hard.

Are the Bard songs really all that? I found doing 7 Barspells per minute gives me the cap on the medal for each minute. I am last medal so I get 64 xp per minute this way (80% due to my level at 53, would get 80 otherwise at 60).

Since its SCH, it'll be easier with a bit more mp pool ready and Light Arts to cut down the mp cost. Bard songs I thought were for melee without the good mp pool.

In the end, just seek in Campaign while doing this I think is the best way.

Ends up being the same thing, only you never have to rest for MP. It only takes 48 seconds to sing 4 songs, which is the cap per minute. It is likely better for MP jobs to do both, cap barspells and cap songs such that you spend more time in tags that out.

...most of my magic is fairly high up already if not capped except for elemental, which shouldn't be too hard to skill up on fortifications or in besiegeds or doing the odd solo I'm sure ^^

Fortifications cap at whatever your skill is at 51 - ~155 for A level.

[Thistle]

I want to know if I am insane for wanting to try to get my scholar through 37-75 in campaign (with a healthy side of campaign ops). I know there's quite an exp hit to start with, but is it even vaguely feasible?

I did WHM 37-71 (ignore the sig, I haven't updated it yet) through Campaign only.

I strongly, strongly, strongly recommend against it. It is zero fun. By the time I was in the 60s, I hated campaign. By the time I hit 70, I hated FFXI. By the time I hit 71, I hated myself for ever attempting this.

I did it as a test to see if I could do 31-75 through Campaign only, but I'm fine with saying I failed. It's boring as hell, totally not worth it.

9* bar spells, 15 songs, wait 6 minutes, turn in tags. Repeat until you /wrists.

(*You only need to do 7, but my macro had three bar songs in it so I could hit the same one three times. If you used that third party macro thingie, with unlimited lines, you might stay sane longer.)

[Linliel]

I strongly, strongly, strongly recommend against it. It is zero fun. By the time I was in the 60s, I hated campaign. By the time I hit 70, I hated FFXI. By the time I hit 71, I hated myself for ever attempting this.

Hmm, okay, so if I'm not insane already I will be soon after starting. Great!

Well, the nice thing is that if I do start to hate it, I can always go and do the BST pet soloing, or QQs or whatever depending on level. This was partly going to be an exercise to keep my medals up and also get a bit of exp for sch at the same time ^^

Thanks for the warning though!

[Kyreth]

Actually, if you're defending friendly territory a Scholar can do very well, especially if you built up a decent AN supply.

Medicate, medicate, medicate. Gives you plenty of MP to toss stuff around for those expensive Accessions, and it's much less boring than sitting on your butt singing or barspelling all day.

Also, Aspirga is the win. Seriously, hit a crowd with that and you're fully recharged.

[Linliel]

Actually, if you're defending friendly territory a Scholar can do very well, especially if you built up a decent AN supply.

Medicate, medicate, medicate. Gives you plenty of MP to toss stuff around for those expensive Accessions, and it's much less boring than sitting on your butt singing or barspelling all day.

OK colour me dumb, but what do you mean by "medicate"?

(NB past campaign experiences were going whm/nin and tanking stuff, pretty much all I did.)