Requiste to pop Mad Bomber?

[ringthree]

Today, we were in the branching room killing the wamouracampas while our checker was looking for Mad Bomber. It was not up. So we opened the door, and killed the bomb in the hallway, and Mad Bomber popped basically on top of our checker.

I can't say for sure that MB popped when we killed the bomb, but I have never seen or even heard of MB spawning mid-run.

[finalwolf]

remember if you killed all the bifrons on that side of the wing.
also if you killed the bifrons without any doing self-destruction?

[ringthree]

remember if you killed all the bifrons on that side of the wing.
also if you killed the bifrons without any doing self-destruction?

No, we had not, there were still at least two more up in the room with bombs, a troll and wamouracampa. And yes, one of the Bifrons did self-destruct, and it wasn't the one that we killed at the time the MB popped.

And sorry just to be clear, we were in the branching room with wamouracampa, not wamoura. I will fix that in the first post.

[Arximiro]

That's weird.. we are 1/5 on MB so hopefully you can figure out if there is a way. I'd think this would have happened to someone at some point though by now if there was a condition to meet.

[finalwolf]

found it interesting Mad Bomber popped midrun.

pretty much now is testing some theories (unless someone actually found out how to make mad bomber pop.)

some stuff going through my head...
8 bifrons per wing, same as the 8 elements in game.
each bifron might be weak/strong to a certain element. Lets say killing the water-weak bomb on Watersday will pop Mad Bomber, but killing the Lightning-weak Bifron will prevent Mad Bomber from popping.
As long as the idea doesn't ruin the run, can try it out.
Well aware salvage can just be random as hell, but would like to find some possible strategies.

I also think the 4 puddings that open the rampart, killed in a certain order for that elemental-day will trigger the rampart that spits the bees.

[ringthree]

That's weird.. we are 1/5 on MB so hopefully you can figure out if there is a way. I'd think this would have happened to someone at some point though by now if there was a condition to meet.

I know, I completely agree. I have never even heard of it spawning/popping mid-run. Either it was up or it wasn't. I tripled checked with the person that saw it pop, and it did pop, they did not miss it on the first look around. It "dropped" like some mobs do with they spawn.

[Kurt Cobain]

was the lights above the door thing from the original bhaflau thread ever mythbusted?

[finalwolf]

was the lights above the door thing from the original bhaflau thread ever mythbusted?

yeah, was busted, worked for some, didn't work for others. Also the light was used to see if Mad Bomber popped at the start of the run. Gotta go past that now, figure out why it popped mid-run for Ringthree's group.

[ringthree]

yeah, was busted, worked for some, didn't work for others. Also the light was used to see if Mad Bomber popped at the start of the run. Gotta go past that now, figure out why it popped mid-run for Ringthree's group.

Technically, tonight's run was Celestria's group.

[Demosthenes11]

we have a stupid high pop rate on mad bomber (80% or so). Compare that to others that are 10% or so, I think there is something some groups are doing that others aren't.

[Kaia]

Is it possible that your checker was having some sort of lag spike? I know it seems a bit pessimistic to just assume that there was some sort of error, but if it's possible to force-spawn MB then I think somebody would have discovered it by accident, or seen MB spawning mid-run in the X years salvage has been out, on the X thousands of Bhaflau runs that have been done.

As for possible triggers... there's only so much you can do in those first 15 minutes of Bhaflau and if there was some gimmick, I'm think it would have been discovered.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying anybody is lying or falsifying info, just that it seems more likely that there was some sort of error or computer/connection problem on the MB checker's end. Very often I'll send any extra mages to MB rooms ASAP while we don't have spare magic cells, and if there's no MB they'll just afk for 5 or 10 minutes until we head up to the Mothra room, and none have seen MB spawn mid-run.

With all that said, I am an avid theory-checker, so I'll be looking into this just in case I'm wrong. Possible things to check: Day-related kills(Zhayolm has one so it's not too far-fetched), # of doors opened? (I don't know if anyone has checked MB, moved up and opened another door, then gone back to check again... could be a # of doors opened based on the day, time, etc). I dunno. I'll let you guys know if I find anything.

[ringthree]

Is it possible that your checker was having some sort of lag spike? I know it seems a bit pessimistic to just assume that there was some sort of error, but if it's possible to force-spawn MB then I think somebody would have discovered it by accident, or seen MB spawning mid-run in the X years salvage has been out, on the X thousands of Bhaflau runs that have been done.

I asked about that several times, but no lag spike, and it spawned in the same kind of manner that new spawns pop as (with the slight "dropping effect that some mobs have when they spawn).

As for possible triggers... there's only so much you can do in those first 15 minutes of Bhaflau and if there was some gimmick, I'm think it would have been discovered.

From the room that branches to the the MB rooms, we opened the door, then killed the next Bifrons. It spawned after that Bifrons died.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying anybody is lying or falsifying info, just that it seems more likely that there was some sort of error or computer/connection problem on the MB checker's end. Very often I'll send any extra mages to MB rooms ASAP while we don't have spare magic cells, and if there's no MB they'll just afk for 5 or 10 minutes until we head up to the Mothra room, and none have seen MB spawn mid-run.

I know, I didn't believe it myself. As I mentioned before, this is the first time I have ever heard anything like this.

With all that said, I am an avid theory-checker, so I'll be looking into this just in case I'm wrong. Possible things to check: Day-related kills(Zhayolm has one so it's not too far-fetched), # of doors opened? (I don't know if anyone has checked MB, moved up and opened another door, then gone back to check again... could be a # of doors opened based on the day, time, etc). I dunno. I'll let you guys know if I find anything.

More simply than days or doors, it could just be related to the bombs themselves. Perhaps each bomb killed has a chance to spawn MB or a specific bomb has to be killed to spawn MB. We did have one bomb explode earlier, but the one that died before MB spawned was killed normally.

[Aihree]

A midrun pop is world-altering. My group has never looked for bomber to be up later in the run. We've always killed 2 bifrons before even having the CHANCE to look, and by that point he's either up or he's not up and then if he's not up we forget about him.

[Bakthi]

A midrun pop is world-altering. My group has never looked for bomber to be up later in the run. We've always killed 2 bifrons before even having the CHANCE to look, and by that point he's either up or he's not up and then if he's not up we forget about him.

Same...I never even considered going back and re-checking.

[Mrdude]

possible that a random bomb is picked to be a place holder and killing said bomb pops mad bomber? Or has that been tested? really didn't follow testing on it.

Edit: >.> missed ringthree's last line in his last post apparently.

[Zeb]

My group has had MB spawn 9 straight times. We usually have our support job person, who didn't get a magic cell, go check to see if it is up, while we are still in the first wamoura room. I was begining to think opening a door in the chest room before cells get used might be part of the pop condition, but I guess not if it can spawn mid run.

[finalwolf]

earthday, zoned into with wind weather.

opened the west path door before opening the chest.
1st bifron self destructed.
2nd bifron was killed.

Mad Bomber was up in the east room.

someone else check if they can pop MB by opening the door in the chest room before popping the chest.
still goes against the idea of popping mid-run

[Aihree]

Given that Bomber was present in salvage overall before the chest was, I highly suspect that any pattern will not involve the chest.

[Arthars]

if its true that bomber can pop mid way, i would say this is an amazing discovery

i bet not many people care now since its 1 year or so into salvage already and prolly got many drops, but this sure help new groups

now to unfold the real secret!

ps: i also believe 2nd floor rampart position determines if NM pops, cept that its so hard to prove this lol

[Hanyoko]

I know on many runs where i'm a late magic, i'll inviso and go check on MB and although usually one gets killed before I get to the rooms if its been up I have seen it then. What about being able to widescan it right after the door is opened?

Unless its a chance to be up right away and a secondary method to pop it if its not.

I've personally been trying to use the "two different people open the 2 first doors" which has sorta been working; Leader been doing the light thing. Yay for vague mechanics!