Endgame Samurai pants

[Arelian]

Simply put, what are the best pants, tp and ws, for SAM endgame?

I'm figuring Byakko's Haidate for TP, but what about WS?

[supercoco]

af+1

[Lilswitche]

af+1

Why?

I was thinking more along the lines of Usukane for ws, mind you, a little harder to obtain.

[Obev]

Usukane Hizaroyoi or Shura Haidate for weaponskill, Byakko's Haidate for TP. No idea why you'd use AF+1 when they give the same strength as the other two, but neither accuracy nor attack. Store TP on weaponskill? Doesn't seem like the best idea to me.

[Judai]

Byakko's for TP, Usukane for WS.

[Hakamaru]

Usukane Hizaroyoi or Shura Haidate for weaponskill, Byakko's Haidate for TP. No idea why you'd use AF+1 when they give the same strength as the other two, but neither accuracy nor attack. Store TP on weaponskill? Doesn't seem like the best idea to me.

Depends on your particular 6-hit build. Say you want to wear dusks and Hachiman Feet (someone's rich & has HQ gloves, but they don't have usukane feet) for TP along with the other typical SAM StoreTP pieces (Rajas, brutal, capped merits). Well, on WS you still need store TP so that you don't drop under 6 hits. Your choices are to wear Hachiman Feet for WS and whatever pants you choose, or Rutters/Creek Clomps on WS with the AF+1 pants.

What's best really depends on what you have available to you. In merit parties, I've never seen my WS ACC dip below ~93% with almost no regard for ACC pieces in my WS build (Osode, AF1 pants, alkys). Lacking the ACC on shura is only a loss on evasive HNMs.

I would nominate all the pants mentioned thus far (shura, usukane, AF+1) as potentially optimal, given the right circumstances.

[Niiro]

Depends on your particular 6-hit build. Say you want to wear dusks and Hachiman Feet (someone's rich & has HQ gloves, but they don't have usukane feet) for TP along with the other typical SAM StoreTP pieces (Rajas, brutal, capped merits). Well, on WS you still need store TP so that you don't drop under 6 hits.

You don't need to WS in any hachiman/AF+1 legs to maintain 6 hits.

[SamanosukeShiva]

yup

[RKenshin]

Byakko's for TP, Usukane for WS.

Agreed.

[Seditedi]

Byakko's for TP, Usukane for WS.

Agreed.

Have you parsed Usukane vs. Shura +1?
I'd think they'd be very close with Shura possibly coming out on top.

[Sylvaria]

id rather go with shura+1 for the acc on WS,just gives me a better feeling with the missing rate etc

[RKenshin]

Byakko's for TP, Usukane for WS.

Agreed.

Have you parsed Usukane vs. Shura +1?
I'd think they'd be very close with Shura possibly coming out on top.

My WS hit-rate is usually close to if not at 95%, so aside from the accuracy the only other thing Shura+1 offers is 1 extra STR.

I don't actually have Shura+1 to begin with. I used to synth like mad for it (0/24) but after the implementation of Salvage I scrapped the idea.

The above aside, if you in fact are not doing well on accuracy, I would recommend Shura over Usukane. Ideally though, I feel Usukane is the best choice if you can afford to use it.

[Judai]

Byakko's for TP, Usukane for WS.

Agreed.

Have you parsed Usukane vs. Shura +1?
I'd think they'd be very close with Shura possibly coming out on top.

Why would 1STR 4Acc beat 10atk 5DEX(about 4acc)?

If you are having problems with Acc on SAM you are doing something wrong or fighting something very evasive. I don't have any GK Merits and I WS in near full STR gear now and still have no problems.

[Lilswitche]

The above aside, if you in fact are not doing well on accuracy, I would recommend Shura over Usukane. Ideally though, I feel Usukane is the best choice if you can afford to use it.

On Valefor, Salvage legs are extremely cheap to upgrade. Shura would actually be the more expensive piece.

[Capo]

The above aside, if you in fact are not doing well on accuracy, I would recommend Shura over Usukane. Ideally though, I feel Usukane is the best choice if you can afford to use it.

On Valefor, Salvage legs are extremely cheap to upgrade. Shura would actually be the more expensive piece.

afford in terms of accuracy, not gil

[Lilswitche]

The above aside, if you in fact are not doing well on accuracy, I would recommend Shura over Usukane. Ideally though, I feel Usukane is the best choice if you can afford to use it.

On Valefor, Salvage legs are extremely cheap to upgrade. Shura would actually be the more expensive piece.

afford in terms of accuracy, not gil

Touche.

My eyes don't work so well at 8am.

[Hakamaru]

Depends on your particular 6-hit build. Say you want to wear dusks and Hachiman Feet (someone's rich & has HQ gloves, but they don't have usukane feet) for TP along with the other typical SAM StoreTP pieces (Rajas, brutal, capped merits). Well, on WS you still need store TP so that you don't drop under 6 hits.

You don't need to WS in any hachiman/AF+1 legs to maintain 6 hits.

Just tested as a sanity-check. Yes; you do.

5 hits with Brutal, Rajas, Hachi-feet & capped merits
+
1 WS with Brutal, Rajas & capped merits
= 99 TP

Maybe you didn't read my post where I specified Hachiman Feet were being used for TP?

[Ryko]

Depends on your particular 6-hit build. Say you want to wear dusks and Hachiman Feet (someone's rich & has HQ gloves, but they don't have usukane feet) for TP along with the other typical SAM StoreTP pieces (Rajas, brutal, capped merits). Well, on WS you still need store TP so that you don't drop under 6 hits.

You don't need to WS in any hachiman/AF+1 legs to maintain 6 hits.

Just tested as a sanity-check. Yes; you do.

5 hits with Brutal, Rajas, Hachi-feet & capped merits
+
1 WS with Brutal, Rajas & capped merits
= 99 TP

Maybe you didn't read my post where I specified Hachiman Feet were being used for TP?

He could have been implying the use of askar body, which would eliminate the need for hachiman at all.

[Niiro]

Depends on your particular 6-hit build. Say you want to wear dusks and Hachiman Feet (someone's rich & has HQ gloves, but they don't have usukane feet) for TP along with the other typical SAM StoreTP pieces (Rajas, brutal, capped merits). Well, on WS you still need store TP so that you don't drop under 6 hits.

You don't need to WS in any hachiman/AF+1 legs to maintain 6 hits.

Just tested as a sanity-check. Yes; you do.

5 hits with Brutal, Rajas, Hachi-feet & capped merits
+
1 WS with Brutal, Rajas & capped merits
= 99 TP

Maybe you didn't read my post where I specified Hachiman Feet were being used for TP?

He could have been implying the use of askar body, which would eliminate the need for hachiman at all.

I was.
no, I wasn't, I overlooked the haciman feet part, but thanks for the save ryko

[Sigi]

One problem with you trying to maintain a 6-hit build Ichi... you have to stay alive to get the other three hits