Pld/rdm

[Shenrien]

I searched the forums and I found nothing, so I was wondering if anyone could give me some information on this, I'm out in Ro'Maeve right now trying to keep hate off of a lvl 71 rng and failing to do so, im curing myself when need be, dispel, blind and flash. What am I doing wrong?

[Cozmo]

Not using your nin >.> jkjk

[Sephknight]

You wont keep hate on /rdm on Decent and under mobs.
Rdm sub strenght is not keeping hate but more for defence vs magic casters usually.
Anyways , for rdm sub use sleep , is not decaying ENM , and just spam bind dispel and whatever else + the same u would do as /nin but with stoneskin phalanx instead of shadows i would say.
If u whant a good fast enm generator similar to war sub , try drk sub , is actually better than most people think.

[Binkie]

Depends on what you're righting. If you're fighting something squishy/easy and the DD is doing a ton of damage, you aren't gonna keep hate unless you dump all your mp and abilites, just accept it.

[Berdysh]

You wont keep hate on /rdm on Decent and under mobs.
Rdm sub strenght is not keeping hate but more for defence vs magic casters usually.
Anyways , for rdm sub use sleep , is not decaying ENM , and just spam bind dispel and whatever else + the same u would do as /nin but with stoneskin phalanx instead of shadows i would say.
If u whant a good fast enm generator similar to war sub , try drk sub , is actually better than most people think.

A strength of /RDM is keeping hate, just not when a melee is removing 25-50% of a mobs HP in one WS.

[Shenrien]

mmm well I was reading the testimonys on wiki for the ACP mission about /rdm and I thought I'd give it a go. and well its not working out so well so far on weapons lol

[Sephknight]

A strength of /RDM is keeping hate, just when a melee is removing 25-50% of a mobs HP in one WS.

I personally dont find /rdm as good as the other alternatives hate wise.

[Raineer]

A strength of /RDM is keeping hate, just not when a melee is removing 25-50% of a mobs HP in one WS.

This is what you meant to say, right?

/rdm is much better than any other pld sub for overall hate, but it takes more time than a voke/flash spike. DC and under you don't have a chance unless you get a 1 minute headstart before the mob is pulled.

[Callisto]

I myself have alot of trouble keeping up with MP as PLD/RDM, I may just be doing it wrong but it seems like I need a whole lot of support to make it work.

[Berdysh]

/RDM is going to be more enmity than /NIN or /WAR in sustained encounters, unless what you're fighting is dishing out substantial damage to the PLD (then /NIN wins). The Provoke/Flash combo provides a strong VE spike, but over time /RDM's ability to build CE (Sleep/Dispel) while maintaining VE (Flash/Blind/Bind) wins out.

You should not be having MP issues with proper support (usually Refresh spell is enough). What's your spell cycle? It could be that you're curing yourself too much - with a proper cycle, self-curing for enmity isn't really necessary, and you can instead use your cures defensively.

[Sephknight]

I don´t see many situations where /rdm would shine personally, unless is mobs like JoL,Could u name a few ?

[Raineer]

I'm certain it's different for all types of LS's and fights, works nicely on Ouryu though.

[Sephknight]

Agreed.

[Berdysh]

I don´t see many situations where /rdm would shine personally, unless is mobs like JoL,Could u name a few ?

I wouldn't say it "shines" outside of Jailer of Love and Ouryu Cometh, and maybe Jailer of Justice. Depending on your level of gearing, it can also be effective for Dark Ixion, kings and ZNM Cerb low-man. MDB + more hate tools paired with shield block TP, Reprisal and Atonement make it pretty strong if /NIN is not absolutely necessary. That said, it's not displacing /NIN as the overall best general sub for PLD or anything, and outside of the first three fights I mentioned, I would say it mostly comes down to preference.

This is leaving out its obvious solo strengths.

[Shenrien]

well I don't think I'm going to plan on using this as a viable subjob for tanking on the ACP mission, I think I'm going to stick to pld/war for it to get as much haste as I can on hate on it as I can. but its still a good subjob to say that I have, I mean soloing and taking 1 - 4 damage a hit is rather nice but I just can't see myself using it as a good subjob for that mission unless I could smash atonement on it at least once or five times.

[Sephknight]

go /drk ,

[Shenrien]

go /drk ,

I'd rather cut myself ; ;

[Sephknight]

is actually pretty good, lot better than /rdm hate wise.

[Enedin]

I myself have alot of trouble keeping up with MP as PLD/RDM, I may just be doing it wrong but it seems like I need a whole lot of support to make it work.

/rdm does require at least Refresh and preferably Ballad or COR's refresh to make it work, since you use your MP so fast.

[Shinryuu]

/DRK isn't necessarily better for enmity, it does have some VE spikes though. /RDM, by the way, also gives fast cast.