Weapon Question for MNK in Salvage

[Silverflame]

Hello BG peoples,

Had a question to all you other MNKs, I would considering buying a pair of Hades Sainti. Would it be worth it for Salvage over Destroyers for tanking Chariots?

Any opinions would be great, please give reasons for each not just "Use this over this end"

Thank you,

[Grenfang]

I would think so, seeing as how sainti and destroyers are very similar in terms of overall DoT and sainti come with the added defensive/tanking bonuses of evasion +7 and enmity+7

[Shin Volcano]

They are very much worth it, yes, on bosses, the added enimity and subtle blow all work great, toped off with accuracy.

[Cream Soda]

I mainly stick w/ destroyers for all purposes of DD'ing and use Hades for solo. That being said, they're def nice to have so I'd pick a pair up. I have enough probs w/ my cotanks bouncing hate though w/o an extra 7 enmity.

[Silverflame]

Ok this is kind of off my topic but somewhat on. Would you pick the Sainti up over buying the Abjuration for Nhead? I have WAR,DRG,DRK at 75. Cause I was either gonna save my money for this, or save my money for the Nhead abjuration. And before you say get it from an HNM shell. The end game shell I'm in, we don't do HNMs.

[Cream Soda]

Hades vs Nhead in usefullness, Nhead no doubt. I'd go w/ hades personally since mnk is my main and it comes before all others, but I see nhead as the same choice

[Silverflame]

Yeah I mainly use MNK just for Salvage now a days. As much as I love my MNK, I also love my WAR and my DRG, and right now my WS head for them is pretty crappy (Voyager/Wyvern Helm respectively) Thanks for the opinions and keep em coming

[BlackMoomba]

Hades are nice for solo or if your co-tank is a better geared than yourself and you find it's not as balanced hate wise while tanking. Nhead is amazing for both those jobs. I'd pick up the Nhead over the Sainti imo.

[Silverflame]

With our Salvage group, I mainly solo tank anyway. As I'm the only MNK in the group and we don't keep our SAM on full time. It works, so I'm not so worried about the Enmity from Hades, but the Acc/Eva would be great for avoiding hits. Acc for Counter and Eva for just avoiding it.

[pchan]

Hades Sainti are better unless you erase your food to eat pizza or unless you've got full usu and other top accuracy gear. From what I recall, you need full usu, destroyers, torreadorsx2 hollow and A torque to cap on monk. With Hades sainti+1, no cuchulain, 1 tor+raja, merman's earring and faith torque I usually have 90-93% acc (except arrapago where acc is shit).


There is no reason not to use them since since 7 eva, 7 acc and 7 SB are something you need.

[Cream Soda]

Hades Sainti are better unless you erase your food to eat pizza or unless you've got full usu and other top accuracy gear. From what I recall, you need full usu, destroyers, torreadorsx2 hollow and A torque to cap on monk. With Hades sainti+1, no cuchulain, 1 tor+raja, merman's earring and faith torque I usually have 90-93% acc (except arrapago where acc is shit).


There is no reason not to use them since since 7 eva, 7 acc and 7 SB are something you need.

As I've said in every other thread you've called hades > destroyers, w/e bonus they get over 6% crits only applies 60% of the time. Acc should easily cap w/ focus up on chariot.


Edit:

For example, 80%hitrate (lowest you'll be able to have and be capped w/ focus, which shouldn't be hard to get on chariot btw)

7 acc, 3.5% hitrate

3.5/80 = 4.375% increase

Applies 60% of the time

4.375 x .6 = 2.625% increase.

Now, I'm not sure w/ critical hit maths, but are you suggesting 6% crits is going to yield less than 2.6% increase in total damage?

[Starr]

From what I recall, you need full usu, destroyers, torreadorsx2 hollow and A torque to cap on monk.

You need that much accuracy with pizza+1 to cap? Not disagreeing, I have only ever been to salvage as WAR once.

[Mazmaz]

Here's some math, read that and the next post after it

Allakhazam.com: Final Fantasy XI

[shaddix]

You need that much accuracy with pizza+1 to cap? Not disagreeing, I have only ever been to salvage as WAR once.

good man

[Starr]

what man, I duo tanked a chariot with a MNK it was mad shitz

[pchan]

You need that much accuracy with pizza+1 to cap? Not disagreeing, I have only ever been to salvage as WAR once.

No that's with meat, they got same-ish evasion as MMJ mobs, arrapago being the worst since you need to keep acc ring in order to cap with pizza.

[Starr]

No that's with meat, they got same-ish evasion as MMJ mobs, arrapago being the worst since you need to keep acc ring in order to cap with pizza.

Oh right, that makes sense then.

[pchan]

Here's some math, read that and the next post after it

Allakhazam.com: Final Fantasy XI

I did not read the entire post but assuming 75%/25% melee/WS and assuming capping critical hit rate on colibri is totally unlikely, artificially giving credit to destroyers.

I stopped reading at "the only relevant stats for Hades Sainti is 7 acc", more enmity gives more hate which gives more counter..

[Cream Soda]

Well I'll agree w/ Pchan for once, I'd have to say 65-70/25-30% dot/ws ratio.

That being said, he's not accounting for focus and dropping from 75/25 to 65/35 is going to hurt destroyers less than adding focus to sainti.

Unlike all other pieces of acc gear that u can swap out for focus, you're stuck with your choice of weapon, which cuts the use of acc you get in that slot.

[mdkuser]

its more like 40% ws 60% melee usually