Red vs Blue with....

[alphacat]

blm.

I read in a JP blog that instead of having a melee 2hr the boss, it is possible for a blm to kill off the boss in 2 spells. Basically Thunder4>Bind>Burst2, and it's over. So the setup would be Blm, kiter, leecher. Has anyone tried to take on the boss like this? Seems quite a bit safer than letting a melee solo it. Only problem I see is if the boss runs out of range before the initial spell goes off. If anyone has done this, input would be welcomed.

[Wolfknight]

I'm not sure bind would help since he is a blue mage and tends to cast a lot he would probably cast on stunning your AM 2.

[Calais~]

I soloed the boss as blm/nin, though I'm pretty sure /nin isn't required. One person stayed at the entrance while a pld and I ran up to where the enemies spawn. I stood back and let the pld drag all the mobs away and kite, grabbed Raubahn with a random spell (like drain or something short to cast, but don't waste a stun), and just nuked him down. Pay attention to what blu spells are what so you know what needs to be stunned and that's it. Really, really easy for any blm to do.

[Suiram]

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Usually takes a drain after to kill after unless it's iceday or lightningsday; a tier 3 if there's a resist. If the person with hate (the person whose spell lands first) has gaiters, then stop in the tunnel until Raubahn starts to cast or else the other blm's tier 4 might not have time to go off before he runs out of range.

Edit because I missed part of the OP question. Definitely can't solo in 2 nukes, would be 3 at minimum as you can see from screenshot. I don't know Niv's damage but it was probably a little over or a little under mine, so figure Raubahn has 2800 HP or so.

[Kaylia]

BLM/nin could probably do it, but its spell selection can be really lame. Take 3 nukes to kill, maybe 2 ancients, but I've done it only once on blm. Bad breath would probably kill you if you are not lucky (but its also true for almost every setup).

#1 Melee x2, kiter (someone with haste to buff melee is nice), someone at npc= 1466 every time
#2 Mnk/nin and sam/nin can solo quickly if someone else activate the assault and another train. 1666points, but need 2h
#3 Any 3man setup can do it without 2h if whoever activate the mission kite the whole area. Having flee and/or powder boots. Usually give ~1400-1500 points, since 1-2 npc will die

[Wizerd]

#3 Any 3man setup can do it without 2h if whoever activate the mission kite the whole area. Having flee and/or powder boots. Usually give ~1400-1500 points, since 1-2 npc will die

This is what we do, used to be me on THF/NIN with Powder Boots, AF boots, and Flee, my wife on MNK/NIN, and another on BLU/NIN, and they just maul it down once I pass. It's gotten faster since my wife got RDM to go as instead, the BLU can set better spells and have Refresh/Haste, dies faster. When she finishes BLM I assume it'll die even faster than before.

We get between 1466 and 1666 points every time. 1666 on one type of pop, 1600 on another, 1466 on the other two I think. Something 1533 but that's if we're lucky on one of the latter ones. We always get full points if it's the one where they all fight at the start point in a big battle.

[Kaylia]

Not sure how we could kill faster, usually get less than that. Cant say I've done the BC a lot tho, I usually help lower rank people in my salvage group since I've 60k assault point in storage.

[Wizerd]

Not sure how we could kill faster, usually get less than that. Cant say I've done the BC a lot tho, I usually help lower rank people in my salvage group since I've 60k assault point in storage.

Well BLU can kill it pretty fast because it can just spam spells til its MP is out, similar to BLM. 2 BLM/NIN with a THF doing what I do would probably be the most reliable way to kill him. Suiram's way works but can go wrong. Can't go wrong if the NM is alone though.

[Kaylia]

I will tell my group to go with blm next time. Usually end up going rdm/mnk/war or something similar because it's done right before salvage.

[Xanthe]

My RvB static goes SAM/NIN and BLU/NIN DD with PLD/THF and powder boots as kiter. Meditate at start, should be up again by engage time. BLU gives Diamond Hide and we run off to the pop spot. PLD will pop and flee all the way to us, give a quick rampart and kite everything back to start while BLU grabs Raubahn with Cannonball. Gekko > Meditate to start, followed up with CA Disseverment > Kasha || Fusion usually finishes him off. Depending on where mobs pop and the rare missed WS it's a steady 1666 points with the occasional 1600.

[alphacat]

So from the SS, one can safely assume the boss's HP is just a little shy of 3k.

For those of you who go sam route, what exactly do you do? I would assume /war to voke off kiter, proceed to do 300tp WS> 2hr> followed by 3 more WS? If the boss has normal def, it would be safe to say sam WS will deal around 650 each, which means it would be come out to be about 2600 damage in 4 ws. That's of course assuming you don't miss any ws. Would any experienced sam tell me what course of action is needed to guarantee a win?

[Almalexia]

So from the SS, one can safely assume the boss's HP is just a little shy of 3k.

For those of you who go sam route, what exactly do you do? I would assume /war to voke off kiter, proceed to do 300tp WS> 2hr> followed by 3 more WS? If the boss has normal def, it would be safe to say sam WS will deal around 650 each, which means it would be come out to be about 2600 damage in 4 ws. That's of course assuming you don't miss any ws. Would any experienced sam tell me what course of action is needed to guarantee a win?

You don't even need 300TP if you're using Hagun. One Meditate will do. Yuki>SP>Gekko>Kasha will occasionally do him in, but if he survives Light SC you'll have that last 100TP from Meikyo Shishui to finish him off as well as Meditate in case you miss anything.

This is without Berserk. Raubahn hits so damn hard and Seigan has a tendency to fail at the worst possible time, so I never use Berserk for this.

One more thing: either voke Raubahn after he attempts to cast his first spell on the kiter, or voke Raubahn soon after the kiter draws aggro then run away until Raubahn attempts to cast his first spell.

[Xanthe]

So from the SS, one can safely assume the boss's HP is just a little shy of 3k.

For those of you who go sam route, what exactly do you do? I would assume /war to voke off kiter, proceed to do 300tp WS> 2hr> followed by 3 more WS? If the boss has normal def, it would be safe to say sam WS will deal around 650 each, which means it would be come out to be about 2600 damage in 4 ws. That's of course assuming you don't miss any ws. Would any experienced sam tell me what course of action is needed to guarantee a win?

I pretty much posted exactly what I do as SAM in the post above yours, but I'll be as specific as I can this time. I go SAM/NIN since I'll be the one holding hate for the short fight, and Utsusemi does much better than Third Eye against any stray BLU spells. It also lets me use Hasso for the extra offensive stats. First thing I do after zoning in is Meditate. Once we're buffed, the BLU/NIN and I make our way to the pop spot. Once at camp I'll pop Hasso and eat some meat. Our PLD/THF kiter will pop/powderboots/flee/grab all the mobs and the BLU pulls Raubahn off with Cannonball. I'll pop off a Gekko in his face to silence him, usually for between 600-900 damage. I'll Meditate and the BLU will alternate some DD spells and Head Butt, usually a CA Disseverment just before I hit 100% TP. I follow with Kasha (again 600-900 damage) for Fusion and Raubahn is usually dead after that. No 2-hours needed. The PLD/THF is well on his way back to the start by the time Raubahn falls. This approach makes it very easy to rack up fast points for salvage. :D

[alphacat]

Thanks guys, salvage is the exact reason why I wanna figure this assault out, since it will pretty much allow daily salvage. I'm gonna soloing it as sam/war and blm/nin, and see which one works better. I think I'm gonna miss imperial code, since that's what I've been doing the most before SL. RvB doesn't seem to yield any good rare/ex items

[Suiram]

Well BLU can kill it pretty fast because it can just spam spells til its MP is out, similar to BLM. 2 BLM/NIN with a THF doing what I do would probably be the most reliable way to kill him. Suiram's way works but can go wrong. Can't go wrong if the NM is alone though.

Hmm, maybe I didn't explain it well enough but I don't see how the way we do it can go wrong any more than any other way ;x We lost one and got less than 1666 another time when we were first working out our method, but since then we haven't lost or even gotten less than 1666 doing 4 runs a week for the last month and a half. The only way I could think of that might hurt the run is if BLM1's AM2 got resist, and BLM2's didn't, so Raubahn goes straight for BLM2 instead of BLM1--which hasn't happened to us before anyway. Even in that case though, BLM2's tier 4 will land by the time he is casting or has taken 1-2 shadows, then put up Ni and finish him off with tier 3. So maybe like 5% chance of BLM1's initial AM2 resisting, compounded with 20% chance the spell he choses to use on BLM2 is nasty enough to cause a serious problem? And even then I don't think it is necessarily a lost cause, it just requires some thinking on your feet rather than what is otherwise an easy straight-forward win. Anyhow I guess it's moot anyway because I misread the OP's question, which was for BLM solo, not duo.

[Kaylia]

So from the SS, one can safely assume the boss's HP is just a little shy of 3k.

For those of you who go sam route, what exactly do you do? I would assume /war to voke off kiter, proceed to do 300tp WS> 2hr> followed by 3 more WS? If the boss has normal def, it would be safe to say sam WS will deal around 650 each, which means it would be come out to be about 2600 damage in 4 ws. That's of course assuming you don't miss any ws. Would any experienced sam tell me what course of action is needed to guarantee a win?

Answered already by someone else, but I do sam/war, meditate once before we start. Dont use berserk, it hit like a truck. Keep seigan on and make a complete light skillchain to kill. (yuki --> gekko --> kasha)

It's reliable enough, but I still failled once after missing 1 WS and getting hit by a nasty blu spell (600dmg). It's easy, as long you kill fast. Also, try using 3rd eyes 15sec before it aggro and reuse it midnight. If you get unlucky and 3rd eyes wear off first hit, you might get killed if recast is 30sec away.

The only way I could think of that might hurt the run is if BLM1's AM2 got resist, and BLM2's didn't, so Raubahn goes straight for BLM2 instead of BLM1

Elemental seal should prevent any resist

[Suiram]

Elemental seal should prevent any resist

Actually I'm almost certain Elemental seal accuracy is capped too, so I'll stand by the 5% figure. And we just do all 3 tags in 15 min so you only get ES for 2 of the runs, but you don't really need it anyway. I was just saying I don't see how it can be said to "still go wrong" any more than any other method, but was just allowing for that possibility.

[Kaylia]

Hmm.. that's another topic completly, but I don't think nuke can be resisted with ES, unless there is something special about the monster in question (trait). I can't think of any instance where i got resisted in 2 years on a ES+nuke. I might be wrong tho, but I don't think it can happens.

[Neosutra]

Isnt the boss sleepable?

[Kaylia]

Isnt the boss sleepable?

I remember being resisted without ES the only time I tried on a normal blue, so I would say no.


I hope new assault will give over 1666points...red and blue is getting kinda boring.