MNK TP Shoes: Fuma/Dune Boots/Denali

[Serif]

I thought I read that Dune > Fuma but what about Dune > Denali?

[Lawliet]

Dune > Fuma > Denali.

[LinktheDeme]

I thought if your haste was X amount the damage provided by fumas would be better than dunes?

[Serif]

Ok cool so Dune is always better than Denali.

And Denali is the better WS.

Would like to know more about the Fuma situation though.

[Reapz]

Dune for TP, Fuma for Utsu and Denali for WS, Usukane for WS if you have those of course.

[Lordwafik]

Depends on your monk and merits and such. If you're geared around kicking, kick boots ftw.

[Toxictaru]

Kick merits + kick pants = dune boots. Like everything, its situational.

[Charismatic]

Since it's said to be situational, could someone post a scenario/gearset where Fuma boots would be the best to TP in?

[kareface]

When you have a full haste build and you getting closer to the gear cap. Haste stacked just keeps getting better and better, so if your in a party with 2 marches and haste + 25% from gear, you'll see much better return from fuma then you'll ever see from dune boots.

[Rhinox]

Since it's said to be situational, could someone post a scenario/gearset where Fuma boots would be the best to TP in?

Black belt/Walmart turban/Haidate/fuma

Edit: beaten to the punch

[Serif]

When you have a full haste build and you getting closer to the gear cap. Haste stacked just keeps getting better and better, so if your in a party with 2 marches and haste + 25% from gear, you'll see much better return from fuma then you'll ever see from dune boots.

I thought that it was +15% from Gear and 2 March and Haste would make you hit cap?

Or is that just for magic and not for melee ?

[Khajit]

When you have a full haste build and you getting closer to the gear cap. Haste stacked just keeps getting better and better, so if your in a party with 2 marches and haste + 25% from gear, you'll see much better return from fuma then you'll ever see from dune boots.

I thought that it was +15% from Gear and 2 March and Haste would make you hit cap?

Or is that just for magic and not for melee ?

that's for magic.
for melee you can get to 95% before the cap I beleive.

[Serif]

When you have a full haste build and you getting closer to the gear cap. Haste stacked just keeps getting better and better, so if your in a party with 2 marches and haste + 25% from gear, you'll see much better return from fuma then you'll ever see from dune boots.

I thought that it was +15% from Gear and 2 March and Haste would make you hit cap?

Or is that just for magic and not for melee ?

that's for magic.
for melee you can get to 95% before the cap I beleive.

Hmmm if this is true, I need to invest in some shoes then.

Because wasn't it stated if you have a PT with 2 Marches and Haste Fuma would do better output than Dune?

[LinktheDeme]

When you have a full haste build and you getting closer to the gear cap. Haste stacked just keeps getting better and better, so if your in a party with 2 marches and haste + 25% from gear, you'll see much better return from fuma then you'll ever see from dune boots.

I thought that it was +15% from Gear and 2 March and Haste would make you hit cap?

Or is that just for magic and not for melee ?

that's for magic.
for melee you can get to 95% before the cap I beleive.

I think it's 43.3% for magic portion of haste to cap off your melee attacks
and 25% from gear for the haste caps which is a total of 68% (Haste samba doesn't touch either category)

Without soulvoice the max haste from spells you can get is 11%+9% + 15% from magic which is 35% i believe. Gear is still 25%. At least this is what i think can't recall for sure

[Judai]

I use Dunes unless I'm tanking something, then I use Fumas. Denali are WS only. There are a million different things you could say in the dunes/fumas debate. Haste is great but when you switch targets sometimes you miss out, etc,etc. I just like seeing myself kick hard but I have 5 Kick Merits. The gap between Dunes/Fumas is miniscul, use what you like or have.

[Serif]

Haha ok cool...didn't feel like spending 200k for those shoes :<

[LinktheDeme]

I think usukane are best ws and tp piece(with max haste gear maybe without too?) for monk if those ever become in an option.

[Zirk]

I've always strongly felt that Dune Boots were best for TP in merit parties, even over usukane but I want to do a comparison parse on that to see.

And I heard Aurik say something about this before, but how does the accelerating returns on haste work again?

[Max™]

Basically, the more haste you add, the shorter the wait til the next swing is, so the sooner it gets applied again.

You tack on 1% haste, it gets applied pretty infrequently. Everytime you add another 1% haste, it increases the times it gets applied to your delay over a set period of time, and just keeps snowballing, because it's always checking against your original unmodified delay.

If it didn't work against your starting delay, it would be pretty meh after a point, like stacking on Accuracy and hitting the cap, 1 Acc gives less and less of a benefit at this point, compared to the 1 Acc before it, and the one before it, etc.

[Serif]

Sorry didn't want to make a new topic about this. Does anyone have any parse results of a well equipped MNK/NIN with Destoryers vs a MNK/NIN with Faith Hands ?