Pro-Embryonic Stem Cell Research while against abortion?

[Andarvi]

So i was reading newsweek today and in a comparison between McCain and Obama's healthcare plans it says, and i quote, regarding McCain's position on embrionic stem cell research: "Yes, he once opposed embryonic-stem-cell research. But like Obama, McCain would now expand federal funding for it, with a few caveats."

Now it doesn't what those caveats are, but seeing as he is a staunch pro-lifer, does it really matter? To me the very fact that he is pro embryonic stem cell research now while maintaining his anti-abortion stance is troublesome enough.

Is there something that I am missing?

[Neosutra]

There is alot you are missing if you are comparing the two.

[Andarvi]

I know that there are techniques that one can extract stem cells from embryos without detroying the embryo but I still find it interesting as i assume said embryos are not later placed into a uterus and allowed to mature.

[Kerberoz]

Embryos used for stem cell research are usually left over from in-vitro fertilization. They create several embryos and usually only implant one. The rest are frozen or discarded.

They never had a chance at life, any more than a period did. Then again, logic has never been a strong point with fundies.

[Tyche]

I'd fall under this category of anti-abortion/pro-stem cell.

[ZarakiKujata]

Isn't this the official position of the catholic church as well?

[Tyche]

I'm not even religious, I'm just pro-life. Any rational pro-life person would see the benefits of stem cell research >.>

[Rhinox]

Serious question Ty.

If not for religious reasons why are you Anti-choice?

Edit:

reason I ask is because theres is always some form of religious belief that is the root of all the arguments and I've finally met someone that apparently is not basing it on that and I'm curious as to what drives your belief that a womens right to choose is wrong?

[Eaglestrike]

Did you really have to say "anti-choice" lol? I'm pro-life for non-religious reasons. My mindset is that your choice was BEFORE you got pregnant. Although I would be ok with special cases of abortion being allowed (obviously if it poses a health risk to mother, is a rape baby, etc.) otherwise you live with the consequences of your actions.

I'm not an abstinence-only advocate for the record.

[Tyche]

Why do pro-life people have to be bible-beating Christians?

[Rhinox]

Did you really have to say "anti-choice" lol? I'm pro-life for non-religious reasons. My mindset is that your choice was BEFORE you got pregnant. Although I would be ok with special cases of abortion being allowed (obviously if it poses a health risk to mother, is a rape baby, etc.) otherwise you live with the consequences of your actions.

I'm not an abstinence-only advocate for the record.

yea I did? was more poking fun at Ty choice of words "anti-abortion" which seems to suggest that the people that are pro-choice are pro-abortion.

[Rhinox]

Why do pro-life people have to be bible-beating Christians?

read my edit.

[Eaglestrike]

yea I did? was more poking fun at Ty choice of words "anti-abortion" which seems to suggest that the people that are pro-choice are pro-abortion.

Or he was referring to his own views of being anti-abortion in that...he is personally against abortion...

[Tyche]

I said anti-abortion to just not be redundant when saying "pro-life-pro-stem cell". No underlying malicious reason, you're reading too much into it.

[Rhinox]

Or he was referring to his own views of being anti-abortion in that...he is personally against abortion...

Or you could let him talk for himself.. I'm sure he doesn't need you to defend him.

Like I said I was merely poking fun at his choice of words not calling him out on it why the fuck are you reading into more then it is? jesus christ.

[Eaglestrike]

I find it funny that what you're saying to me is exactly what he said to you.

[Rhinox]

Given not all Pro-life advocates are bible thumping Christians still doesn't really answer my question. What draws you into that line of thinking if not religion? is it through personal experience? or something else?

There is a women out there that is a survived botched abortion and she is clearly and understandably pro-life but I haven't really heard of any other reasons.

[Rhinox]

I find it funny that what you're saying to me is exactly what he said to you.

What's funnier is that I've said from the very beginning that i was merely poking fun at his choice of words yet you're to dense to realized when something goes over your head and read into somthing that is really not there and make something out of nothing.

[0ni0n]

what about incest, rape and other less than voluntary situation?

btw, the stemcells will be discarded after a certain period anyway, I rather we do something constructive that benefit humanity. I really want to hear the other side's argument against stemcell research.

[Tristam]

So i was reading newsweek today and in a comparison between McCain and Obama's healthcare plans it says, and i quote, regarding McCain's position on embrionic stem cell research: "Yes, he once opposed embryonic-stem-cell research. But like Obama, McCain would now expand federal funding for it, with a few caveats."

Now it doesn't what those caveats are, but seeing as he is a staunch pro-lifer, does it really matter? To me the very fact that he is pro embryonic stem cell research now while maintaining his anti-abortion stance is troublesome enough.

Is there something that I am missing?

I think some of the pro-life pro-stemcell people are fine with stem cell research but they just don't want to open federal funding to create new SC lines from embryos and force researchers to use currently available lines only. It's their way of straddling the fence so to speak, unfortunately most existing lines are pretty crappy right now. There are private companies who use private funds to use other SC lines, but the vast majority of basic science research is done by people with NIH and NSF grants, and those investigators are really hampered by this.