Long Bowed Chariot Strategies?

[Jtmoney2424]

Currently, my LS is 0/3 on LBC. We normally go in with 1 thf, 1 brd, 2 mnk, 1 war, 1 blm, and 2 rdm. The first run we did a bunch of farming and just tried the boss with killing no gears or chariots. 2nd run we killed chariot to weaken def/mag def and killed 9/10 gears. 3rd run we killed all gears and mag def/def gear and we still wiped around 15%. We normally get to the boss with around 12-13 minutes. LBC just seems to spam nothing but discharge and it hits the melee for 400+ He uses it so often it just wears out the mages MP by the time he gets to like 30-40%. Even with only sticking 2 mnk on him for dmg + the blm and both have penance, the AOE spammage is still crazy. Is our setup bad for him or should we have 20+ minutes for him no matter what the cost?

[Meat]

Your setup seems fine, I like a whm over a 2nd rdm, but that's a matter of opinion. How are you distributing the revits and do your tanks have body boosts? are front tanking him when you unlock?

[Dobrav]

You shouldn't be having any problems with your setup at all especially with killing all 10 gears to nerf missiles.

Are Slow II and Elegy on at all times?

What songs are you using?

[Qlash]

Here's a 1 year old vid of me and some friends doing it on 6, Drg,Mnk,Mnk,Thf,Rdm,Brd

YouTube - Long-Bowed Chariot

Long time since we did it, but yes I think it's a generally good idea to do all gears to weaken it to the fullest xD

[Neosutra]

Elegy.

Slow2, Para2, Dia2-3.

Start casting shadows when you see the WS animation.

Kill the gears.

Not much you can say beyond that. If your tanks cant tank/kill a 9/10 or 10/10 gear nerfed LBC, I dont know what to tell you.

[Almalexia]

If you destroy all 10 gears, you should position your MNKs directly at LBC's face to encourage the now-weakened Homing Missile. In my experience, LBC prefers missiles over any other TP move.

Allow no more than 2 DDs in range of LBC at once. If you use 2 DDs and still run out of MP, try WHM+RDM instead of 2 RDM.

[Dobrav]

If your tanks cant tank/kill a 9/10 or 10/10 gear nerfed LBC, I dont know what to tell you.

^

[Thorny]

you can drop LBC with west chariot killed in ~5 min with that setup(soul voice, night/troub a min before it wears means you should have SVed songs the entire fight).. are you using 2hrs? do you collect drinks otw up and save them for boss? there's a lot of information missing, that setup should have 0 problems if you kill 10/10 gears

[barber2006]

Make sure your bard has storm fife.

[tsola]

Do the MNKs have shell up? Are they saving body boosts for LBC?

[Jtmoney2424]

Yeah, both slow and elegy are on at all times. I think the tanks were to the sides still. We can position him in front to try to get homing missile as much as possible when its nerfed. 1 mnk is black belt and 1 isn't and we were giving them minuet + march. They both had body boost on as well. Im not sure if shell 4 was up, but if his TP moves are considered magic damage, can always help to have it on. Should we throw the war on him for damage as well? It just seemed like it was taking us too long to kill him and MP was definitely becoming an issue.

[Meat]

revtilizers from the gear floor? give em to the bard and have them keep sv songs on full itm

[Dobrav]

If you're having MP issues without a WAR attacking, the MP issues will only get worse with another melee feeding it TP.

[drwaffles]

If your problem is TP spam then the first thing you should probably do is to subtract the WAR from the equation and just put the two MNKs on it - the lower rate of LBC's TP gain should be rather noticeable. Then again, if you're low on time and need to kill it as quickly as possible your best bet is to prepare fast with your SV songs/buffs and zerg it. As other have said, WHM is a really good option since in Salvage they can potentially get loads of MP back per tick (with things like Balrahn's Ring and Storm Fife) and use it for strong-ass Cure Vs with added Stoneskin effect, high-level Curagas when necessary and, of course, they have access to Benediction for those nastily-timed Discharges.

I'm going to assume your WAR is using Great Axe? Obviously if he's /NIN using Maneater/Ridill for some reason he needs to cut that shit out.

[Killkenny]

With 2 melees, whatever they may be, and a 2x rdm, brd (optiamally rdm whm brd) supporting you should really have 0 problems as far as mp goes. Are your mnks being constantly melee'd for a lot of damage or is it strictly his TP damage thats causing the issue (pro and shell are a give for any fight of this magnitude).

If it is strictly the damage from discharge that is causing an issue I don't know what to suggest and would recommend you post a video of your LBC fights.

[Cream Soda]

have someone sub cor, use mnk's roll (generally the thf is what we use)

[Thorny]

revtilizers from the gear floor? give em to the bard and have them keep sv songs on full itm

a brd with night/troub can keep SV on for ~7 min, if you're taking significantly longer than that to kill it you're doing it wrong

revitalizers are for DD

[anathema]

we do one mnk/war using zerk/counterstance and body boost tank at start with brd rdm whm support and then add in additional melee when all debuffs are on and mp is good.

we've killed lbc with mnk/war unnerfed as well lol.

/nin is overrated for salvage archaic stuff (except arrapago boss). you spend way too much time trying to get ichi up and doing shit damage. the only thing is your whm has to be on point if you're unlucky with counters. otherwise, these NMs dont have fang rush to one shot you and all their tp moves wipe shadows anyways

[Neosutra]

we do one mnk/war using zerk/counterstance and body boost tank at start with brd rdm whm support and then add in additional melee when all debuffs are on and mp is good.

we've killed lbc with mnk/war unnerfed as well lol.

/nin is overrated for salvage archaic stuff (except arrapago boss). you spend way too much time trying to get ichi up and doing shit damage.

Please ignore this guy.

45% chance of not countering on a mob that can/will crit hit for 600 damage (and can triple attack) makes mnk/war retarded on this boss. If you have a problem keeping shadows up with elegy on the boss and haste/march on the tanks, get better fucking tanks. I rarely have to cast ichi, and when I do it doesnt "competely nerf my damage".

[Deemos]

I used sam/war seigan tanking alot on LBC, but honestly i feel safer with my mnk and another one, just because of the subtle blow and monk roll. Penance helps too; on samurai he spammed too much, kinda risky mp-wise. Just use two monks with monk roll if avaiable and you'll be fine. Also, consider arriving at the boss with 15~min left, just skip some Rampart pops when you see they arent popping till 50-40% - usually we do every single rampart from 1 to 4 and we stick with the one that actually pops something before the 50% mark.