Homam Gambieras Vs Assassin's Poulaines

[Corvii]

For this feet slot, which one is better for THF on TP?

I just got AF2 boot tonight and wiki said it is 3% triple attack. In the past, I use full homam and eat meat on merit. Thus, my acc is a bit low (~80%). Thank you for any feedback.

[Jedimasta]

For this feet slot, which one is better for THF on TP?

I just got AF2 boot tonight and wiki said it is 3% triple attack. In the past, I use full homam and eat meat on merit. Thus, my acc is a bit low (~80%). Thank you for any feedback.

I'm no THF but my guess is haste is gonna win out unless you have a huge triple attack build.

[Cantih]

Yup, unless you have Triple attack fully merited and Homam Corazza, stick with haste.

[Elipse]

What do your merits in triple attack have to do with the quality of these two pieces?

Compare piece to piece.

Homam has Acc and haste, the poulaines have.... inventory -1?

[Jedimasta]

I suppose, I'd probably stick with Homam for TP and use AF2 for WS if you don't have Heca or any other STR gear. I use the WAR AF2 legs for certain WS I am trying to proc a double attack on rather than keep my Haidate on.

[Mojo]

There is no advantage to stacking Triple Attack. If anything, it offers diminishing returns in a pure DoT sense. I'd stick with Homam hands down.

[Bregor]

Despite this topic being misplaced, Homam would be better in the vast majority of situations, despite other Triple Attack gear/merits. I think this would be especially true when using meat and having the accuracy you're talking about.

As for a WS piece, I saw a Dragon Harness vs. Hecatomb Harness discussion a while back that downplayed the importance of STR for THF WSs, and emphasized DEX/AGI. So I doubt the 3% Triple Attack (if that's true) would do anything over extra DEX/AGI/accuracy/attack/whatever for any particular situation you're WS'ing. I can think of a couple pieces I'd rather WS in than AF2 feet depending on the situation (Hecatomb, Pahluwan, Marine Boots, etc.)

[Lordwafik]

The moment you get homam, the Ass.Poul go in the mog forever.

[Corvii]

Thank you for the feedbacks. I do have 5/5 triple attack merited, Homam Corazza (5/5 Homam), Brutual Earring, and I usually go merit party /WAR. For WS, I use Hecatomb Leggings +1 on feet slot.

The reason I am confused, is that 3% triple attack works out to be roughly 6% haste equivalent (may be I miscalculated it).

Assume:
~20 hits for 100% TP
10extra TP if triple proc
3% higher triple chance = 0.03 x 20 x 10TP = 6 extra TP ~= 6% haste

If it is true, it will be like trading 6acc on Homam for 3% extra haste on Assassin's.

I probably did something wrong on my calculation. Please correct me.

[Thorny]

Assume:
~20 hits for 100% TP
10extra TP if triple proc
3% higher triple chance = 0.03 x 20 x 10TP = 6 extra TP ~= 6% haste

3% Triple Attack is a 6% increase in #/attacks, not haste. Haste has increasing returns mathematically because a 3% boost to haste with 50% haste is effectively removing 6% of your delay(3/the remaining 50% = 6%) while Triple Attack is a straight probability and 3% triple attack remains a 6% increase in #/attacks regardless of how much you have. Regardless, it says RIGHT ON THE DAMN BOOTS that it is Triple Attack+1, not an enhancement or anything at all vague. For the sake of argument, I'll assume it is 3% triple attack and triple attack checks before double attack(optimal conditions for poulaines). I'll also assume you TP in at least 15% haste before boots(Homam hands/legs, turban, swift/speed belt, corazza on body) and have an additional 15% from haste and 11% from march 2. This means your haste on homam will be 3/59 or 5% increase in #/attacks. With 80% accuracy, you will also receive 3% hitrate from the homam. Without going to the trouble of compounding, homam give about an 8% increase in #/additional attacks with only one march, or 9% with 2. The Assassin's Poulaines will ALWAYS give 6%(Again this is assuming they're 3% triple attack, which I have no reason at all to believe besides some moron editting wiki to think his city AF means something.)

[S N K]

There is no advantage to stacking Triple Attack. If anything, it offers diminishing returns in a pure DoT sense. I'd stick with Homam hands down.

Gotta agree with this. I used Relic feet for a long ass time then when I finally finished out my homam set which aptly was the feet last I noticed a good difference in performance. I'm fully merited on THF so from my own experience I'd go homam.

[Tdizzle]

The moment you get homam, the Ass.Poul go in the mog forever.

[Slott]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the majority of the thief community come up with the conclusion that they add only 1% triple attack? Not 3. I believe the wiki's info is wrong.

[Vedder]

The moment you get homam, the Ass.Poul go in the mog forever.

Amen, preach it loud, brotha!

Also, I don't know what wiki the OP was looking at, but it lies. "Triple Attack +1" equates to a 1% increase in Triple Attack. Perhaps what he / the wiki are trying to say is that over time, in equates to a 3% increase in swings... but still that's wrong, you will only see two extra swings. (1 TA proc in 100 swings = 102 swings)

Assuming this is true, you'd get equivalently one more extra swing every 100 swings by using Homam Gambieras vs. Assassin's Poulaines... but you are also passing up +6 accuracy, lower recasts, and the increased returns of other Haste gear if you stick with the AF2 over Homam.

Homam is the clear winner.

[ninjafox]

Would skadi boots be a viable option if you don't have homam or dusk boots?

[fantasticdan]

Yup, unless you have Triple attack fully merited and Homam Corazza, stick with haste.

I'm no THF but my guess is haste is gonna win out unless you have a huge triple attack build.

I know it's already been said in this thread, but these arguments make no sense. Triple attack has diminishing returns, since TA can't proc on a swing where TA already procced. The more TA you have, the less each further point is going to do for you.

[Massimo]

Wait..why is people talking about 3%? The boots give +1% Triple Attack, stop believing in everything the otherwiki says.

[Caelestis]

Wait..why is people talking about 3%? The boots give +1% Triple Attack, stop believing in everything the otherwiki says.

I honestly would like to know where the data has come from to come to the conclusion that THF relic feet give +3% TA (just like on the otherwiki states that WAR relic legs give +3% DA as well)

Anyways, back to topic, i possess both items and unless its proven that its 3% TA (highly, highly unlikely imo) its homam all the way. Even if the +3% TA assumption where to be true, in the end haste will win out vs the probability of TA.

[Loren]

I'm positive it's +1%.
Homam Gambieras are the best TP boots for any job that can equip them by a ridiculously wide margin no matter what your setup looks like.

[Baha]

Shit isn't even situational. AF2 feet are the crap you settle for, when you haven't had the luck for homam, or the money for dusk. Got mine when I already had homam, after all other homamless,fourth job THFs got, and they went on mannequin. They have yet to see the light of day.